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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Here’s a fun South Bend based twitter follow.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodGuyPete2020

Lots of pics of Mayor Pete being a good guy around town. I like the one of him jumping off a swingset. There’s a video of him speaking (wearing a hoodie) at the Million Hoodie March after the murder of Trayvon Martin. .
 
I think he’s the clear VP choice of any of the women candidates.
 
PhDeac said:
I really wish we had ranked choice voting. I feel like Warren, Kamala, and Pete would rise to the top. Bernie and Biden may be #1 for a lot of people but I doubt they’re 2-5 for many people at all.
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I don't think there is much evidence that ranked choice voting would push candidates polling in the single digits over a candidate polling at 40%.
 
I don’t think Biden will he polling at 40% come NH.
 
PhDeac said:
I really wish we had ranked choice voting. I feel like Warren, Kamala, and Pete would rise to the top. Bernie and Biden may be #1 for a lot of people but I doubt they’re 2-5 for many people at all.
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I like most of them just fine. Hickenlooper seems a bit too odd, and I've soured on Beto. But I like Inslee, Bullock, Warren, Harris, Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar just fine - probably Harris and Buttigieg the most because I believe they're the best communicators. And I still think Tester would make the best nominee who would garner the highest number of EVs, but he ain't running.

That said, Ph, who knows if Biden will still be polling this well come January. I'm a bit surprised he's polling this well now. There were a couple of state polls out on Thu in NH and AZ. The NH poll was a Dem primary poll, and it had Biden doubling up Bernie 36-18% in a state right next to Bernie's home state and where he beat Hillary in the 2016 primary. The only other 3 over 5% were Buttigieg, Warren and Harris. This has become the trend over the last month - Biden in the 35-40% range, Bernie in the 15-20% range, Buttigieg, Harris and Warren in the 6-10% range and O'Rourke receding with the other also-rans in the 1-2% range. The AZ poll was how the various candidates would fare v. Trump (and if AZ goes blue, we're getting 350+ EVs). The poll had Biden beating Trump by 5% and everyone else losing to Trump by 5-9%. This also has been a trend in the polls I've seen from the 10-12 states that will determine the election. These 2 trends are telling me 2 things - first that independents are most comfortable with Biden, at least for now, and second that Dems and independents currently prefer and want an Obama 3rd term, and Joe is the closest thing they can get to that. For my taste, Joe is fine, but he's too old and a gaffe machine who likes to talk too much. But everyone knows he's a too old gaffe machine, so these polls are telling me that the highest percentage of folks are fine with that, and that there is a comfort factor there with Joe like there is with no one else at this time. Sure, there is plenty of time for change, and maybe Harris or Buttigieg can achieve a similar comfort level, but it's not there now.
 
Biden is a default option. Generic democrat.
 
PhDeac said:
Biden is a default option. Generic democrat.
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Yeah, so? Buttigieg, Harris, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Booker and Bullock are all pretty generic Dem as well in terms of being in that Dem mainstream mode, like Obama and the Clintons. But they aren't polling like Joe is. Surely, part of that is Joe is much better known. I'd like to hope it's not because he's the comfortable old white guy, whereas Buttigieg is gay, Klobuchar and Harris are female, and Harris and Booker are at least part black. And I'm not so sure his being the much better known quantity is going to wear off and erode his poll numbers over time, and that's because of Trump. Trump strongly appeals to 40ish% of the country, however independents and the few establishment Pubs remaining can't stand him. There could be a fairly strong preference developing where folks are saying give me the old, known and affable gaffe machine because we like or didn't mind Obama, and he has the best chance to beat the devil incarnate who currently resides in the White House. And his poll numbers could end up being self fulfilling where most folks say, "See, the polls keep saying he beats Trump, and doors # 1, 2 and 3 do not." If the polls remain similar over the next several months, the current best ticket is Biden/Harris.

I'm interested to hear what our resident more conservative posters who don't like Trump are thinking, like Deacman, NED and Shorty.
 
“Generic Dem” in terms of a safe known option. Hillary played the same role in 2008.
 
The general public is not following Democratic politics 18 months out from the election. Biden and Bernie’s numbers are all built on name recognition.

Hopefully all these polls will do is force out some of the 0-1%ers. Otherwise they are pretty meaningless.
 
Name recognition is a pretty big deal and polls at this point statistically have been proven not to be meaningless.
 
cville deac said:
Yeah, so? Buttigieg, Harris, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Booker and Bullock are all pretty generic Dem as well in terms of being in that Dem mainstream mode, like Obama and the Clintons. But they aren't polling like Joe is. Surely, part of that is Joe is much better known. I'd like to hope it's not because he's the comfortable old white guy, whereas Buttigieg is gay, Klobuchar and Harris are female, and Harris and Booker are at least part black. And I'm not so sure his being the much better known quantity is going to wear off and erode his poll numbers over time, and that's because of Trump. Trump strongly appeals to 40ish% of the country, however independents and the few establishment Pubs remaining can't stand him. There could be a fairly strong preference developing where folks are saying give me the old, known and affable gaffe machine because we like or didn't mind Obama, and he has the best chance to beat the devil incarnate who currently resides in the White House. And his poll numbers could end up being self fulfilling where most folks say, "See, the polls keep saying he beats Trump, and doors # 1, 2 and 3 do not." If the polls remain similar over the next several months, the current best ticket is Biden/Harris.

I'm interested to hear what our resident more conservative posters who don't like Trump are thinking, like Deacman, NED and Shorty.
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It's a little early for me to get interested in presidential politics. If there is a Pub primary, the first decision for me will be whether to vote for Weld or someone in that primary, or vote in the Dem primary for a candidate who polls well against Trump.

Either way, I will vote for the Dem candidate in the general. The country simply cannot afford another four years of this disaster.
 
Shorty said:
It's a little early for me to get interested in presidential politics. If there is a Pub primary, the first decision for me will be whether to vote for Weld or someone in that primary, or vote in the Dem primary for a candidate who polls well against Trump.

Either way, I will vote for the Dem candidate in the general. The country simply cannot afford another four years of this disaster.
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Good point
 
Shorty said:
It's a little early for me to get interested in presidential politics. If there is a Pub primary, the first decision for me will be whether to vote for Weld or someone in that primary, or vote in the Dem primary for a candidate who polls well against Trump.

Either way, I will vote for the Dem candidate in the general. The country simply cannot afford another four years of this disaster.
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That’s not smart. Real conservatives recognize Sanders is more dangerous than the President.
 
It doesn’t carry the responsibility of an OGB moderator, but I’m sure there is plenty to do.
 
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