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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

PhDeac said:
This is a dumb post on multiple levels. Biden is the one most likely to screw it up because he differs the least from Trump. Barack and Michelle will be featured at the convention and both may be keynote speakers. Biden is the one trying to get by on his association with Obama and to bring back the past. The others are trying to get by on their own merits and policies and look forward a new future.
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We'll see. My point about Obama was a bit tongue in cheek - I know he'll be invited to the convention for a speech, however it is true that none of the other candidates are mentioning him to the point where it seems like most are running away from him. There was a piece a couple days ago talking about this phenomenon. But do you seriously believe Biden does not significantly differ from Trump? Hell, Weld, Sanford and Kasich differ significantly from Trump. You appear to believe that the way to beat Trump is to get as far left as possibly, but I continue to say that's exactly what Trump and Pub strategists want.
 
I bet 2008 GOP operatives were licking their chops when the two final candidates for the nomination were a black man and a former First Lady/cuckquean. That turned out well for them.
 
cville deac said:
We'll see. My point about Obama was a bit tongue in cheek - I know he'll be invited to the convention for a speech, however it is true that none of the other candidates are mentioning him to the point where it seems like most are running away from him. There was a piece a couple days ago talking about this phenomenon. But do you seriously believe Biden does not significantly differ from Trump? Hell, Weld, Sanford and Kasich differ significantly from Trump. You appear to believe that the way to beat Trump is to get as far left as possibly, but I continue to say that's exactly what Trump and Pub strategists want.
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Biden and Trump are alike in that both are seventy-something year-old white guys.
 
cville deac said:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/31/dem-debate-gop-strategists-roundup-227491

Here's a piece Politico did talking to 2016 Pub campaign management types on who they think did well in the debate and how folks fare v. Trump. The unfortunate fact is very few of these candidates scare Trump. Pub strategists have consistently maintained that they want to run against folks like Sanders, Warren and Gillibrand. Obama would easily win in a 2020 match-up, but he can't run again, and we simply lack an electable candidate with his chops.
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Warren would be Trumps dream candidate and he would sweep the rust belt. Bernie stands a chance because he can win MI and PA.
 
cville deac said:
You appear to believe that the way to beat Trump is to get as far left as possibly, but I continue to say that's exactly what Trump and Pub strategists want.
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This is so fucking tiring. Pete and Warren were right: if they're going to paint you as a socialist anyway, why not at least give policies that are going to excite people and bring them to the polls. MSNBC brought on Claire McCaskill again to tell us how people in the Midwest will never vote for free stuff and going too far left is a mistake (essentially the cville argument).

Except she lost in the middle of the Blue Wave by saying exactly this stuff (better things aren't possible), and there are two Missouri Dem reps, Cleaver and Clay co-sponsoring Medicare for All. And you know what is popular in the Midwest? Farm subsidies and Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security (free stuff!) and Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar (lefties!).

Why we're still listening to centrist operatives is baffling to me. Much like posing the questions as "do you like Medicare for All if it means losing your private insurance" and pointing to numbers about how many people like private insurance is a horrible way to frame the question (first because people don't like their insurance, they like their doctors and they like that they are insured, and they conflate the two). Why aren't we asking about the dozen other ways people can lose their insurance in the current system? Clearly about a third of the stage last night is in it to drop out and go work for the private insurance lobby.

The funny thing to me is I don't even think the most winning strategy is to go as far left as possible. Pete Butt isn't doing that. He's staking out fairly moderate positions. The important thing is he's actually saying that he'll do things. That's how you'll get young people to the polls:

1) We don't want to get killed by guns in a classroom
2) We want to grow up past 2040 in a habitable Earth

And again you think the message that will get out the vote is "No we can't"?
 
WFU71 said:
Smart play for a sure win is Kamala/Mayor Pete. First female President who is also a POC and a gay, millennial combat vet. They would both dominate their debates with Trump/Pence. Hard core Trumpers won't care, but they can't win if the Democrats come out to vote.
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When I proposed this many months ago, I did it as a way to make conservatives' heads explode. Now, it actually looks reasonable...and having a black woman as POTUS and a gay man as VP would still make rednecks' and Trump supports' heads explode.

That's a win/win...
 
TownieDeac said:
This is so fucking tiring. Pete and Warren were right: if they're going to paint you as a socialist anyway, why not at least give policies that are going to excite people and bring them to the polls. MSNBC brought on Claire McCaskill again to tell us how people in the Midwest will never vote for free stuff and going too far left is a mistake (essentially the cville argument).

Except she lost in the middle of the Blue Wave by saying exactly this stuff (better things aren't possible), and there are two Missouri Dem reps, Cleaver and Clay co-sponsoring Medicare for All. And you know what is popular in the Midwest? Farm subsidies and Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security (free stuff!) and Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar (lefties!).

Why we're still listening to centrist operatives is baffling to me. Much like posing the questions as "do you like Medicare for All if it means losing your private insurance" and pointing to numbers about how many people like private insurance is a horrible way to frame the question (first because people don't like their insurance, they like their doctors and they like that they are insured, and they conflate the two). Why aren't we asking about the dozen other ways people can lose their insurance in the current system? Clearly about a third of the stage last night is in it to drop out and go work for the private insurance lobby.

The funny thing to me is I don't even think the most winning strategy is to go as far left as possible. Pete Butt isn't doing that. He's staking out fairly moderate positions. The important thing is he's actually saying that he'll do things. That's how you'll get young people to the polls:

1) We don't want to get killed by guns in a classroom
2) We want to grow up past 2040 in a habitable Earth

And again you think the message that will get out the vote is "No we can't"?
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Pete Butt? Talk about a homophobic nickname...
 
RJKarl said:
When I proposed this many months ago, I did it as a way to make conservatives' heads explode. Now, it actually looks reasonable...and having a black woman as POTUS and a gay man as VP would still make rednecks' and Trump supports' heads explode.

That's a win/win...
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Yea for sure dude backlash vote is great.

RJKarl said:
Pete Butt? Talk about a homophobic nickname...
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Alas this is the PC police I've been warned about.
 
Shorty said:
Biden and Trump are alike in that both are seventy-something year-old white guys.
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Biden makes enough gaffes for the false equivalency folks to have a field day.
 
TownieDeac said:
Yea for sure dude backlash vote is great.



Alas this is the PC police I've been warned about.
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Well, you and your buddies' have said calling someone a bitch is misogynistic. I think you should be held to the same criteria.
 
cville deac said:
I'm really starting to think we're really going to blow this thing. Personally, I like Pete best of those with a chance, and I think he'd perform the best on a stage with Trump. But I'm not sure he can get to 270 because of the gay and lack of experience things. In order to get to 270, you probably have to win by 5 points. Biden is the only 1 I feel fairly certain who can do that, and I just don't see him performing well enough in the debates and primaries to get the nomination. Add to that Biden gets lousy press from the MSM. And is Obama, you know Barack, whose approval ratings in his last year were in the mid 50s, even going to be invited to the convention depending on who the nominee is? Biden is the only candidate who dares utter his name, and he utters his name more often than Rudy says 9/11.
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This is an on point take.
 
TownieDeac said:
This is so fucking tiring. Pete and Warren were right: if they're going to paint you as a socialist anyway, why not at least give policies that are going to excite people and bring them to the polls. MSNBC brought on Claire McCaskill again to tell us how people in the Midwest will never vote for free stuff and going too far left is a mistake (essentially the cville argument).

Except she lost in the middle of the Blue Wave by saying exactly this stuff (better things aren't possible), and there are two Missouri Dem reps, Cleaver and Clay co-sponsoring Medicare for All. And you know what is popular in the Midwest? Farm subsidies and Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security (free stuff!) and Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar (lefties!).

Why we're still listening to centrist operatives is baffling to me. Much like posing the questions as "do you like Medicare for All if it means losing your private insurance" and pointing to numbers about how many people like private insurance is a horrible way to frame the question (first because people don't like their insurance, they like their doctors and they like that they are insured, and they conflate the two). Why aren't we asking about the dozen other ways people can lose their insurance in the current system? Clearly about a third of the stage last night is in it to drop out and go work for the private insurance lobby.

The funny thing to me is I don't even think the most winning strategy is to go as far left as possible. Pete Butt isn't doing that. He's staking out fairly moderate positions. The important thing is he's actually saying that he'll do things. That's how you'll get young people to the polls:

1) We don't want to get killed by guns in a classroom
2) We want to grow up past 2040 in a habitable Earth

And again you think the message that will get out the vote is "No we can't"?
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Great post.

Bernie missed a big opportunity last night when Tim Ryan was talking about union members who had stagnant wages or were losing their jobs and complaining that Bernie wanted to take away their health care. He should have countered that if they lose their jobs, they don’t have the health care anyway.

People like having a job, having any insurance, and their doctors. The big bonus of M4A or any decent plan is that people will get better coverage regardless of their job and won’t lose their doctor. People are smart enough to know the current system sucks especially if the system sucks for them.

The best point that Warren and Sanders can make is that M4A will cover people and isn’t for profit. Both did that effectively yesterday.
 
A Warren or bernie ticket would produce a massive turnout (relatively speaking) for 18-34 year olds and I don’t see that being matched by older voters voting in favor of Donald.
 
This election is ultimately going to be a base election. Turnout out the democratic base and we have a new President. Don't, and Trump stays in office.

Warren is not going to take Hilary voters and turn them into Trump voters. Bernie won't either. Nor will Biden, Harris, or Pete Butt (OMG! WHAT A HOMOPHOBIC NICKNAME!). The key is going to be finding a candidate that energizes democrats, so that enough people who didn't vote at all in 2016 vote in 2020.
 
RJ really is the original millennial. Good lord.

And generally a grown man referring to other grown people as “bitches” is just stupid, even before it is misogynistic.
 
Trump’s base is about 25% irredeemable fascists or racists. The deplorable if you will. Then maybe 5% independent types, 5% really rich. The rest of people who voted for him liked the fact that he acknowledged there was a hurting part of the country that wasn’t getting any benefit from Washington’s elite political class. That message has played out all over the world from the right in populist elections from Bolsonaro to Farage/Boris to Le Pen to mixed results. There’s a way for a Dem candidate to stick to their platform and acknowledge these voters without abandoning the interests of their base (people in cities, college educated, nonwhites).

Where they’ll draw no enthusiasm from anyone is these anti-message candidates.
 
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