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The New Socialists

Nah, it’s not bait this time. You’ve turned into Trump with a only slightly more palatable worldview. Your posts over the last month have become on par with the sailors of the world. You insult everyone that doesn’t agree with you and then the second it slightly turns around on you, you play the victim.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Fair point. Feels worse recently though. Maybe (probably) I’m just slow.
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Typical, I'm supposed to be a pinata.

Townie said this, "Jesus Christ I’m surprised you can feed yourself"

In your world, I'm "Trump" if I reply. I should act like this:



It's OK for Townie or someone else act like that but not me to defend myself...Got it...
 
The deep state is propping up Townie so he can act above the law.
 
His allies are the deep board who really runs things around here as shadow moderators. You ever have glitches where you post things and words disappear? Those aren’t typos. That’s the deep board deleting words to make you look sloppy and foolish.
 
It's true, I was at the weddings of two of the board admins. We regularly scheme on the dark web mod board about all y'all. Plus I think LK knows my mom.
 
I have no problem with shrinking the number of people held in pre trial detention but I don’t understand the argument in favor of full fledged elimination in certain cases (murder and rape for instance). Maybe I’m wrong on this but surely people charged with murder who were either placed into third party custody or tracked with GPS still have a heavy incentive to run away since....they face murder charges.

What is the alternative to detention for these cases?
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I have no problem with shrinking the number of people held in pre trial detention but I don’t understand the argument in favor of full fledged elimination in certain cases (murder and rape for instance). Maybe I’m wrong on this but surely people charged with murder who were either placed into third party custody or tracked with GPS still have a heavy incentive to run away since....they face murder charges.

What is the alternative to detention for these cases?
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SHHHHHHH...reason doesn't have a place...We should have let Ted Bundy, the Shoe Bomber, El Chapo out without bond. I can't believe you'd question their word that they wouldn't commit any other crimes and would appear for their trials.
 
Which is what I said before the pansy patrol got starch in their boxers.

Yes, the system needs to be fixed.

No, you can't get rid of bail for all charges.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I mean I may be persuaded by the argument I just don’t know what it is
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I mean there isn’t really a good argument for what MHB is saying re: pretrial detention. Non-violent crimes definitely (though in 21st century America that basically only means drug offenses), but the violent offenses probably not. But elimination of cash bail should be across the board
 
TownieDeac said:
It's true, I was at the weddings of two of the board admins. We regularly scheme on the dark web mod board about all y'all. Plus I think LK knows my mom.
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She's one hell of a golfer!
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Nah, it’s not bait this time. You’ve turned into Trump with a only slightly more palatable worldview. Your posts over the last month have become on par with the sailors of the world. You insult everyone that doesn’t agree with you and then the second it slightly turns around on you, you play the victim.
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lazy, inaccurate, but if it makes you feel good about yourself go for it.

Align yourself with someone who thinks it's OK to attack a Jew with one of the Nazis most heinous pieces of anti-Semitic propaganda. That'll show me.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I mean there isn’t really a good argument for what MHB is saying re: pretrial detention.
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I like how you just state this as fact. There really isn't a good argument for addressing harm in communities by caging people and subjecting them to extreme violence.

Rape is a good grounds to demonstrate that the numbers logic is flawed. Of 1000 rapes that occur, only ~5 are convicted. So when people say "what about the rapists" they are intentionally or unintentionally weaponizing the fear of sexual violence to criminalize people, without acknowledging that the current system fails in preventing sexual violence.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I mean there isn’t really a good argument for what MHB is saying re: pretrial detention. Non-violent crimes definitely (though in 21st century America that basically only means drug offenses), but the violent offenses probably not. But elimination of cash bail should be across the board
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Agreed, you either hold someone in custody until trial, or you charge someone for a crime and let them go pending trial.

The bail system is plainly unethical.
 
MHBDemon said:
I like how you just state this as fact. There really isn't a good argument for addressing harm in communities by caging people and subjecting them to extreme violence.

Rape is a good grounds to demonstrate that the numbers logic is flawed. Of 1000 rapes that occur, only ~5 are convicted. So when people say "what about the rapists" they are intentionally or unintentionally weaponizing the fear of sexual violence to criminalize people, without acknowledging that the current system fails in preventing sexual violence.
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It fails to prevent all sexual violence but does serve as a deterrence for plenty of it.

How would your system prevent sexual violence?
 
MHBDemon said:
I like how you just state this as fact. There really isn't a good argument for addressing harm in communities by caging people and subjecting them to extreme violence.

Rape is a good grounds to demonstrate that the numbers logic is flawed. Of 1000 rapes that occur, only ~5 are convicted. So when people say "what about the rapists" they are intentionally or unintentionally weaponizing the fear of sexual violence to criminalize people, without acknowledging that the current system fails in preventing sexual violence.
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That’s a straw man argument if I ever saw it. No one is suggesting caging people and subjecting them to violence. We can have a larger discussion about detention practices and issues related, but purely on whether or not some defendants should be detained prior to a trial, letting all defendants out on non-conditional release is a bad idea. I would be for a strict list of offenses that would have pretrial detention and let the rest be released pretrial, but having all offenses have that is a step too far.

I don’t have a response to the second part because you’re right, but I wasn’t arguing that and don’t really care about fighting you on something that I didn’t suggest.
 
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