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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

Strickland33 said:
The difference is that the Clinton cynically campaign labeled any critique of her record and platform as misogyny. There was definitely a lot of misogyny in that campaign (and I think you're being a bit unfair to board progressives in acknowledging this), but Clinton still managed to win the primary in spite of it.

The difference, imo, is that there have been plenty of unbelievably qualified women running in this election cycle who would have been a suitable alternative to Sanders - Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand, among others - and they have consistently been overlooked by voters and the media in favor of South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg and generally unprepared and unqualified doofus Mike Bloomberg.

If Democrat voters were truly pragmatists and wanted to counter Sanders's rise (not to mention were actually invested in electing a woman president), then they should shift their support to Warren no questions asked. That they haven't is a lot more damning in this field than it was in 2016.
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I really wish Harris would have had enough traction to stay in this thing.
 
Kind of hard to say that centrists aren't invested in electing a women president when the last Dem candidate for President was a woman centrist.

I think people are gunshy. They see Warren as one of the few candidates that trails Trump generally in 2020 head to head and they don't want to repeat 2016.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Kind of hard to say that centrists aren't invested in electing a women president when the last Dem candidate for President was a woman centrist.

I think people are gunshy. They see Warren as one of the few candidates that trails Trump generally in 2020 head to head and they don't want to repeat 2016.
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Right. Plus she tried to go head to head against Trump and failed miserably with the DNA test. Going hard at Bloomberg helps show she can take on Trump.
 
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Ball State Deac said:
I really wish Harris would have had enough traction to stay in this thing.
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If all of the Buttigieg supporters had supported Harris instead (at the time), then she probably would have still been "in this thing." But a female Senator from California was deemed less electable than a male mayor from a college town in Indiana.

ChrisL68 said:
Kind of hard to say that centrists aren't invested in electing a women president when the last Dem candidate for President was a woman centrist.

I think people are gunshy. They see Warren as one of the few candidates that trails Trump generally in 2020 head to head and they don't want to repeat 2016.
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Clinton was arguably the only candidate in 2016, is my point. Had Biden run, for instance, then I'm sure that the moderate vote would have been far more contested. But it's easy to speculate on stuff that didn't happen, so I'll concede the point.

I do wonder how much of Warren's negative polling has come from the fact that she just isn't really getting much attention from the media, which would rather fawn over the likes of Bloomberg and Buttigieg. It'll be interesting to see how her monster debate performance changes this calculus. Still, media seems more interested in asking her about Bloomberg than about her platforms...
 
ChrisL68 said:
Kind of hard to say that centrists aren't invested in electing a women president when the last Dem candidate for President was a woman centrist.

I think people are gunshy. They see Warren as one of the few candidates that trails Trump generally in 2020 head to head and they don't want to repeat 2016.
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Which is why this was maybe the dumbest line of the night at the debate:

"I have an idea for how we can stop sexism on the internet: We can nominate a woman for a candidate for president of the United States,” Klobuchar said.


“I think that might go a long way if we showed our stuff as a party,” she added.
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Kind of wish that Warren and Sanders would have a meeting and come out and agree to be one candidate. Still leaning towards Bernie because I think my vote goes further with him, but I love them both. Sadly I don't think they work on the ticket together.

Say Bernie wins the nomination who do you think he would pick for VP? My gut says African-American women would be great, or should he pivot a little to the middle and go for Mayor Pete?
 
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BillBrasky said:
Kind of wish that Warren and Sanders would have a meeting and come out agree to be one candidate. I really enjoy both of them. Still leaning towards Bernie because I think my vote goes further with him, but I love them both. Sadly I don't think they work on the ticket together.

Say Bernie wins the nomination who do you think he would pick for VP? My gut says African-American women would be great, or should he pivot a little to the middle and go for Mayor Pete?
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Something tells me that Mayor Pete is going to have an uphill climb to make nice with the eventual nominee, particularly if it's Warren or Sanders. The field generally hates the guy.
 
Strickland33 said:
Something tells me that Mayor Pete is going to have an uphill climb to make nice with the eventual nominee, particularly if it's Warren or Sanders. The field generally hates the guy.
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Maybe, but I think he could bring some "midwest nice" voters over to Bernie. As could Amy.

Nationally however I think a progressive woman of color would be great. Would go a long way in dispelling the myth created by the Clinton/Bidens that Bernie doesn't appeal to black voters. Not sure who that person is, as I think the AOC Crew is a little too politically young. Somebody from a key swing state would be great.
 
Bloomberg spent $460 million in Q1, including $45 million on Facebook ads

In the first six weeks of 2020, more than 1.6bn of the 2.4bn presidential campaign ads shown to US Facebook users were from the Bloomberg campaign. Since launching his campaign in mid-November, the former mayor of New York City has spent nearly $45m on Facebook ads – more than all his opponents combined.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/21/mike-bloomberg-facebook-ad-campaign


what a fucking world, man
 
BillBrasky said:
Maybe, but I think he could bring some "midwest nice" voters over to Bernie. As could Amy.

Nationally however I think a progressive woman of color would be great. Would go a long way in dispelling the myth created by the Clinton/Bidens that Bernie doesn't appeal to black voters. Not sure who that person is, as I think the AOC Crew is a little too politically young. Somebody from a key swing state would be great.
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Pete is about as "midwest nice" as "bless your heart" is "southern nice," but point taken.

My predictions would be Julian Castro or Ayanna Pressley as Warren's VP. Maybe Tammy Duckworth or Chuy Garcia for Sanders's VP?
 
yeah, would be pretty surprised with an all-white Dem ticket

Harris and Castro seem like possibilities, depending on the nominee


hypothetically, hard to guess who Bloomberg would choose for a running mate
 
ChrisL68 said:
Harris should be at the top of anybodys VP call list
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Harris vs. Pence in a VP debate (which is a stretch to assume any debates will happen, let alone VP debates) would be stellar TV
 
ChrisL68 said:
Harris should be at the top of anybodys VP call list
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More AG than VP for me.

Strick, Harris and Gillibrand just didn’t run good campaigns. Harris struggled off the cuff. Really struggled.

Pete on the other hand wasn’t even old enough to be a senator when he started as mayor at 29 years old. He’s in a red state with a much tougher path than CA or NY.

Your hate blinds you to the fact that Pete is really good at this. He’s a political prodigy.
 
Only problem with Harris is that she is from a blue lock state. Would love her if she was from the Rust Belt or "New South". That being said she probably is the best VP candidate for Bernie or any other white dude.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
yeah, would be pretty surprised with an all-white Dem ticket

Harris and Castro seem like possibilities, depending on the nominee


hypothetically, hard to guess who Bloomberg would choose for a running mate
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If it's Warren, Castro has to be like 99% a lock for the VP nod. Harris makes a ton of sense for Bernie if he wants to try to branch outside of his base, Warren if he wants to branch out slightly less. Pete was a great VP nominee until about 4 months ago, now I don't know anyone that takes him.
 
PhDeac said:
More AG than VP for me.

Strick, Harris and Gillibrand just didn’t run good campaigns. Harris struggled off the cuff. Really struggled.

Pete on the other hand wasn’t even old enough to be a senator when he started as mayor at 29 years old. He’s in a red state with a much tougher path than CA or NY.

Your hate blinds you to the fact that Pete is really good at this. He’s a political prodigy.
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He's really good at this. But he also sucks.
 
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