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Non-Political Coronavirus Thread

How is masking the entire population supposed to work when we can't even provide enough PPE for healthcare workers?

Just putting the possibility out there potential messes with the supply chain and the costs. Also if people think masks can protect them, they're going to ignore social distancing and try to live their normal lives.
 
How is masking the entire population supposed to work when we can't even provide enough PPE for healthcare workers?

I agree that it is completely unfeasible. However, with the reporting that up to 50% of people don't show symptoms everyone that leaves their home needs to assume they are contagious and act accordingly.
 
Speaking with an infectious disease doctor last week gave me some comfort - no one under 20 is really getting the virus (and if they do it's a minor cold), so I feel good about my kids' chances. As for my chances - I'm fairly healthy mid-40s dude with no pre-existing conditions, so I'm not sweating it. It's hard to believe what comes out of China and our media. Wash your hands - you'll be fine. Just my 2 cents.

this post stands up well imo
 
He also wrote/co-wrote and produced almost all the songs for Crazy Ex Girlfriend. Damn.
 
Damn. Schlesinger also penned "That Thing You Do" for Hanks' movie and directorial debut in the 90's. He was 52. :(
 
Posted this here 17 days ago. How many have died while conservative medical profession wants to be 100% sure?

Need to weigh risk vs reward and treat sick now. Should greatly affect death rate and has pretty strong probability as prophylactic.

I’m not sure what you are talking about, but hydroxychloroquine is being used at all hospitals across the US. It just isn’t very effective, and may not be effective at all, which is why it is also being studied as it is also used clinically.
 
I’m not sure what you are talking about, but hydroxychloroquine is being used at all hospitals across the US. It just isn’t very effective, and may not be effective at all, which is why it is also being studied as it is also used clinically.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

"Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it."
 
I can confirm that it is being tested at a lot of US hospitals.

The problem is that all that data being written about comes from studies where they excluded 1) people with severe symptoms of COVID and 2) people with any co-morbidities that might be exacerbated by HCQ.

Bad news, there are a WHOLE lot of people in that second group.
 
Posted this here 17 days ago. How many have died while conservative medical profession wants to be 100% sure?

Need to weigh risk vs reward and treat sick now. Should greatly affect death rate and has pretty strong probability as prophylactic.

problem is the opportunity cost of chasing this fool's gold at the expense of other potential treatments that were actually developed to treat viral disease
 
I don't have a huge problem trying to initially test the ability of chloroquine to reduce viral infection with the exclusion of co-morbidities and severe symptoms.

First, writing up a drug or vaccine clinical trial is a huge pain in the ass because of how things are reported, there's a reason why every drug has an extensive side-effects list. Any and all conditions that occur when running a trial need to be listed, stub your toe throw it on the list.

Second, it seems like through trump and the media that the drug is toted as a miracle cure when in reality it should be used as a front line defense/prophylaxis. Its initial use was throwing it at people who were deteriorating fast and used as a compassionate use we need to try anything or this person dies, since it wasnt a controled study in China some people lived and the its a miracle cure spread.

Third, the reason why it should be used as a front line defense/prophylaxis is that you are trying to treat a virus. Treating a virus is a hell of a lot easier when the viral load is low than when it is high. The mechanism of action for chloroquine in helping with Covid-19 is believe to be two fold, its modifies the pH of cells so that after the entry of viral RNA its not an environment conducive to viral replication and its also an immune modifier which helps with the cytokine storm that progresses in some severe patients.

If you want a comparison of an anti-viral then a good one would be Oseltamivir, which people would know as Tamiflu. Tamiflu works by inhibiting neuramidase the flu protein response for viral escape from infected cells. Simplistically speaking if you take tamiflu cells that are infected can no longer make more virus because the virus replicates wont be able to leave the already infected cell. Problem is it really only works when viral load is low, best to take tamiflu before symptoms even occur or within 24 hours of symptoms after that it will "reduce the duration" but a study would be instead of feeling like shit for 7 days its now 5.5/6 days. If you took it before you were ever exposed to the flu, you would essentially be protected because the initial infection would not be able to replicate efficiently.

That example holds up for most viruses, if you have a viral load of 1,000 pfu then you can control it if you wait till its been days and you now have a viral load of 1,000,000,000 pfu then it doesnt matter what you throw at it the virus is going to still exist unless you have a drug that's widely penetrating with a highly specific mechanism of action. What you have with chloroquine is a very non-specific treatment that might tilt the scales to a positive outcome in a 60/40 split for extreme cases but may make a 70/30 difference if given early, but even that has its caveats that need to be tested.
 
Every time I read prophylaxis I giggle.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

"Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it."

Yes, it's being used in the US as part of routine care for COVID patients, but as the article reports, it "helps a small number of people with mild disease." Unfortunately, it is unlikely to be very important in the treatment of COVID.
 
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