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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

 
anyway biden fell asleep for like 15 seconds on his town hall with hillary yesterday at like 3 PM
 
Imagine if there were a party centered around workers in the US

 
That's not what I'm implying. I'm implying they're not pushing back hard enough on the "let's get back to work" R governors.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Ph is more interested in gotchas and rhetorical victories than advancing any meaningful discussion
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Weird conclusion. I’m tired of Townie and Strick consistently going for gotchas when we pretty much agree on everything except who should be the nominee.

They keep trying to make me out to be a villain with the logic “He didn’t support Bernie, therefore...” But I believe women just not unconditionally. I support workers. I am a progressive. I just don’t think Bernie is all that great of a politician and I think he would lose to Trump and not have the coattails necessary to make substantive change in this country.
 
PhDeac said:
Weird conclusion. I’m tired of Townie and Strick consistently going for gotchas when we pretty much agree on everything except who should be the nominee.

They keep trying to make me out to be a villain with the logic “He didn’t support Bernie, therefore...” But I believe women just not unconditionally. I support workers. I am a progressive. I just don’t think Bernie is all that great of a politician and I think he would lose to Trump and not have the coattails necessary to make substantive change in this country.
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Weird conclusion considering the fact that I didn't support Bernie until the very end when it was just Biden (who we knew had a lot of allegations of sexual harassment and one allegation of assault, at the time, in addition to his record on criminal justice and financial reform).

Just a reminder that I supported Gillibrand and Warren, and would have been all right with Castro and Sanders.

I know it doesn't fit into your narrative, but I would appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting my positions to score points on the internet.

Also, your posts regarding Biden and sexual assault suck. Like really suck. Like you might want to take a look at what you have posted and re-evaluate your claims regarding believing women unconditionally. And what you suggested about me, my politics, and my allegiances is shameful.
 
Tara Reade: accuses former VPOTUS and current POTUS nominee of sexual assault...
Ph: Weird gotcha, but ok...
 
Why Have Women’s Groups Gone Dead Silent on Biden Sex-Assault Accusation?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-have-womens-groups-gone-dead-silent-on-biden-assault-accusation

Women’s groups and prominent feminist figures have remained almost universally silent over a former staffer’s accusation of sexual misconduct against former Vice President Joe Biden—including those individuals and groups who came to express regret for how the Democratic Party handled similar accusations made against President Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

The collective non-response from mostly Democrat-aligned groups comes as potential female running mates struggle themselves in responding to the Biden allegation, which has the potential to upend his campaign against President Donald Trump, who has been accused of sexual misconduct by dozens of women in alleged incidents spanning decades. And it echoes the division among progressives when the #MeToo movement revived scrutiny of Clinton’s own alleged sexual misconduct.

The Daily Beast contacted 10 top national pro-women organizations for this story, including Emily’s List, Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and the National Organization for Women. Most organizations did not respond to a detailed request for comment about the allegation by Tara Reade, a former staff assistant in Biden’s Senate office who has accused the former vice president of forcibly penetrating her with his fingers in the early 1990s. Others replied and did not provide a statement.

One prominent women’s political group cited a scheduling conflict and asked to be kept “in mind for other opportunities!” When pressed if the following day would work better, an associate said it would not, citing another scheduling conflict.

The near-total lack of acknowledgement from nearly a dozen leading pro-women organizations comes as new corroboration has emerged with respect to the allegation, which the Biden campaign has categorically denied. Neither the Biden campaign nor Reade responded to requests from The Daily Beast for comment Tuesday.

It also is taking place as prominent elected women in the Democratic Party rally to Biden’s side. On Tuesday, Hillary Clinton became the latest to offer her endorsement of Biden’s candidacy—a symbolic passing of the torch from one presidential candidate to another, but a moment that also served as a reminder of moments in recent party history when accusers were almost uniformly dismissed.
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I'm old enough to remember when many of these pro-women organizations were loud supporters of Christine Blasey Ford and lectured everyone on the importance of believing all women.

What changed in less than 24 months?
 
TownieDeac said:
Tara Reade: accuses former VPOTUS and current POTUS nominee of sexual assault...
Ph: Weird gotcha, but ok...
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Another weird gotcha by Townie.

Strick, your criticisms of me are centered around the fact that I went from Pete --> Warren --> Biden. Do a search of your own posts and see how often you mention Pete.
 
TownieDeac said:
Tara Reade: accuses former VPOTUS and current POTUS nominee of sexual assault...
Ph: Weird gotcha, but ok...
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uh, that's your take home message. rather drab outlook.


Republicans: Tara Reade...gotcha

Democrats: Investigate, but also look at the 25 allegations against current POTUS Trump

Townie: that would be weird, why would you investigate Trump. he is a saint and has never done anything wrong or said anything imprudent or asinine.
 
Ph - Are the women on your Facebook feed still posting stories about their experiences with sexual assault as they did during the Kavanaugh confirmation?

If not... why?
 
PhDeac said:
Another weird gotcha by Townie.

Strick, your criticisms of me are centered around the fact that I went from Pete --> Warren --> Biden. Do a search of your own posts and see how often you mention Pete.
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Not sure why you keep lumping me in with Sanders given the fact that my concerns around Biden have been consistent from the start. I initially was frustrated by your attempt to cast Pete as a progressive, especially as he started to go hard after progressives (Warren, Castro, and Sanders) in debates and as his policies and campaign rhetoric became increasingly moderate. I really did not like Pete Buttigieg and was pretty merciless when it came to posting that opinion; I don't need to do a search for his name in my posts to confirm that, just as you don't need to do a search of your posts to confirm that you were far more excited and supportive of him in your posts than you have been with either Warren or Biden. Your Warren affair was brief; to this day, I still don't really remember you ever coming out in support of Warren vs. Sanders/Biden, but you quoted a few posts that show you did indeed profess support. I conceded the point then, iirc.

I'm still frustrated by your defenses of Biden against a progressive strawman of Bernie supports, especially when it comes to me. For one, I feel like I have been fair regarding Biden's platform and have stated that I will vote for him. Second, I'm frustrated by your inability to engage critically with his policy record and your tone deaf posts regarding the Tara Reade allegations. His policy record speaks to the likelihood that the progressive pieces of his agenda will be enacted and the harassment and assault allegations speak to the principles that many Democrats embraced in the emergence of the Trump candidacy.
 
warak said:
Townie: that would be weird, why would you investigate Trump. he is a saint and has never done anything wrong or said anything imprudent or asinine.
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What the fuck is this? Do you even read Townie's posts, man?

I think every poster on this board would unequivocally support a sustained inquiry into allegations against Donald Trump. Even Colonel Anus.
 
Strickland33 said:
What the fuck is this? Do you even read Townie's posts, man?

I think every poster on this board would unequivocally support a sustained inquiry into allegations against Donald Trump. Even Colonel Anus.
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Fuck no he wouldn't.

To switch subjects a bit, I agree with earlier posts that Biden needs to address what Ms. Reade has alleged. Assuming he says that nothing happened, where do we go from there?

Based on the standards set forth by Brad and theReff, there is nothing more to be done at that point- the man denied it so it must have been a political which hunt from the start. I'm not a mouth-breathing shitbag, so I don't buy their particular take. On the other hand, I would think there is not going to be a criminal inquiry for a variety of reasons. So what happens next?
 
Strick, I've made several posts about these issues. I'm not sure if you've read them because you keep claiming I said things I didn't say. I'm not sure how I can "engage critically" with Biden's policy record in a way you'll accept. Biden represents the center of the Dem party at the time. Those policies you didn't like represented where the Dem party was at that time. I've explained why I don't think we need to worry that he's going to enact 90s crime legislation in 2021.

As far as Reade, I think her claims should be investigated and I think Biden should address them. Again, I don't know what else you want from me here.
 
Strickland33 said:
What the fuck is this? Do you even read Townie's posts, man?

I think every poster on this board would unequivocally support a sustained inquiry into allegations against Donald Trump. Even Colonel Anus.
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Meh. I am consistently surprised by how often a certain constituency on these is apparently more outraged by anything dems do, either on their own or in response to Republicans being monsters, than what the Republicans are actually doing that is significantly more monstrous . It's like a weird fetishy sort of thing I still have a hard time wrapping my head around, but it's there. A response like Warak's makes complete sense in light of it.
 
warak said:
uh, that's your take home message. rather drab outlook.


Republicans: Tara Reade...gotcha

Democrats: Investigate, but also look at the 25 allegations against current POTUS Trump

Townie: that would be weird, why would you investigate Trump. he is a saint and has never done anything wrong or said anything imprudent or asinine.
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Yep big trump fan here, you got me
 
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