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Non-Political Coronavirus Thread

your employer had you come back 3 weeks ago? My company announced a week ago that none of our offices would reopen before Labor Day.
 
knowell said:
You do you and your risk assessments but we will have to agree to disagree with this.

I think we need to spend our time and money on figuring out what makes some people barely notice the coronavirus and some people die. I think there is a lot of research getting close to figuring this out.
It is way too late to put the pandemic back in the bottle and pretend most of us can avoid it by staying indoors.
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If you have a link to info about vitamin D and coronavirus I would be interested to read it.

I'm pretty sure we are not going to figure out why some people have minimal symptoms and others become severely ill (besides age and typical comorbidities). We haven't figured that out for other viral illness that have been around for decades, so I think it's highly unlikely we'll figure it out for COVID19.
 
knowell said:
You do you and your risk assessments but we will have to agree to disagree with this.

I think we need to spend our time and money on figuring out what makes some people barely notice the coronavirus and some people die. I think there is a lot of research getting close to figuring this out.
It is way too late to put the pandemic back in the bottle and pretend most of us can avoid it by staying indoors.
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The point with social distancing/self-isolating was to give us time to ramp up testing/contact tracing. Unfortunately our federal government is led by a complete and utter moron (non-politically speaking of course), so it has proven pretty much worthless other than kicking the can down the road. Had we done what South Korea did then we would be pretty much clear at this point.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
The point with social distancing/self-isolating was to give us time to ramp up testing/contact tracing. Unfortunately our federal government is led by a complete and utter moron (non-politically speaking of course), so it has proven pretty much worthless other than kicking the can down the road. Had we done what South Korea did then we would be pretty much clear at this point.
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This is correct. However, it actually is not too late, even right now, for contact tracing in some parts of the country. But as we have already seen, this unfortunately is not going to happen.
 
Rafi said:
This is correct. However, it actually is not too late, even right now, for contact tracing in some parts of the country. But as we have already seen, this unfortunately is not going to happen.
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Yeah I mean it's clear that we are unwilling to do this, no matter the cost. So businesses will suffer, people will die, and we will wait for 12-18 months until the vaccine is readily available.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Yeah I mean it's clear that we are unwilling to do this, no matter the cost. So businesses will suffer, people will die, and we will wait for 12-18 months until the vaccine is readily available.
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Is it possible to track the cases when between 2% and 20% of some populations have already been infected?
 
knowell said:
Is it possible to track the cases when between 2% and 20% of some populations have already been infected?
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Not given our steadfast commitment to keep with the status quo and not immensely ramp up testing/begin to contact trace whatsoever. If we were serious about it then this would absolutely be possible, especially since the places that are anywhere near 20% are going to be far and few between.

What do you think we should do at this point Knowell?
 
It seems like the risk at the beach would be dependent on how much distance you can keep from others. If there is not enough room to not be in someone else’s face I do not want to be at that beach corona or not.
 
knowell said:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/930152?src=soc_tw_share

Here is one. There are others. I don't expect to convince you.
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Thanks for the link. I would definitely change my opinion if there was some good evidence that vitamin D might be helpful.

What you linked was a transcript of a discussion with a physician, so there isn't much info in it. However, there is a link to an unpublished study in the Philippines. It's interesting because it shows correlation between vitamin D levels and COVID severity. However, it is not clear when the vitamin D levels were collected for the analyses - for example, if they were collected after the patient was in the ICU for a week, then it would be very likely their vitamin D would be low but not causative of the severe illness.

The problem with vitamin D studies (and there are a ton of them for any condition you can imagine), is that vitamin D is an easy and inexpensive test, so it ends up getting tacked on to many studies. Sicker people have low vitamin D levels, but it's not because of the vitamin D (rather, the vitamin D level is a marker of illness).
 
Overall people are really bad at risk assessment especially if it involves math and complex things with little understanding. With that said outdoor activities are almost universally going to be "safe" as in the actually risk from them is so minuscule that the benefits far outweigh any risk, this is with the caveat that attempts at safety are somewhat maintained. It just the nature of the way respiratory viruses spread, it was the same misunderstanding of the virus can live on surface for days and panic where it doesn't matter if its there or not its will it be infectious and will you then get sick. Initial dosage matters, so unless someone is shedding a lot of virus and coughs and sneezes directly in your face, enjoy the outdoors.
 
wfudkn said:
your employer had you come back 3 weeks ago? My company announced a week ago that none of our offices would reopen before Labor Day.
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My employer forced us back to work as soon as our governor lifted the stay at home order, which we barely had in place anyway. I worked remotely for 5 weeks after we had employees test positive.
 
Yeah and I mean this is why it's very important how governors handle reopenings.

It's obviously insanely inappropriate for any business to have brought back somebody 3 weeks ago.

My office here in Charleston said we will be out until at least the fall. It's a 75 cubicle office that's in one big ass room, and over half our employees (maybe more) are over 55.
 
No. Nobody was questioning that.
 
People are also willing to not question things that come from positions of perceived power like governors, so there have been a lot of articles with people stating stuff like, nobody would be out right now if they were sick so its safe. They just believe they sheltered in place and its over now so back to normal.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Yeah and I mean this is why it's very important how governors handle reopenings.

It's obviously insanely inappropriate for any business to have brought back somebody 3 weeks ago.

My office here in Charleston said we will be out until at least the fall. It's a 75 cubicle office that's in one big ass room, and over half our employees (maybe more) are over 55.
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It was inappropriate, sure, especially since my job can be handled remotely without much of an issue. It's concerning to now see lines to get into bars and restaurants at night, but I know a good chunk of people don't care now that the governor has said it's fine to go back to business as usual.
 
PhDeac said:
No. Nobody was questioning that.
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Yeah, nobody is questioning if outdoor activity is safer than indoor. It is clearly much, much safer.

I addressed the vitamin D issue because 1) there is not any good evidence that vitamin D has any relevance to coronavirus, and 2) there are dangers of excess vitamin D, so I don't want to see anyone taking massive doses.
 
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