WFFaithful
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You don't become the world's greatest super power by cowering in your home.
Does the world's greatest superpower give up and let the enemy kill 1,500 Americans daily with over 100,000 dead in less than 3 months?
You don't become the world's greatest super power by cowering in your home.
It's been 100% clear what needs to be done to get out of where we are - we just aren't doing it.
You're damn right there wasn't much benefit the past two months.
There are three paths we can take:
1. Just say "fuck it" and live our lives again, accepting that a lot of people will needlessly die.
2. Hedge between lockdown and full living, but don't expand testing/tracing enough to know who really has it.
3. Do what countries like South Korea have done and get testing/tracing available for everybody (not just "we have testing", but actually enough).
Almost everybody thinks No. 1 is unacceptable...hell I'm sure 2and2 is even against this.
We have made it clear that we aren't going to do No. 3.
So No. 2 is what we are going to do, which will not sustain businesses like restaurants, entertainment, or basically anything that is not essential for human beings. It will also lead to a lot of deaths as a second spike comes and we get back to where we are.
It's a very clear path forward - No. 3...but for "some unknown reason" we just aren't doing it.
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I got news for ya... The virus is here to stay for a good long while and it may never go away completely. Are you at risk for the flu every year despite taking the vaccine? Yes, yes you are. Nothing is 100%. Hell, it was 50% effective last year alone according to the CDC. You will always be "at risk" unless you are waiting on a covid miracle vaccine that has a 100% effective rate. Just like I'm at risk everyday of dying by numerous random everyday accidents. I could drop dead any second from an exponential list of everyday factors. But hey, if a self-made prison of fear for potentially the rest of your life is what you'd prefer then so be it because the virus will probably be around for a long time to come. No, I don't think most people will end up following you down that path of living.
Lots of people in the United States can't live with the uncertainty of quarantining at home without a defined end date, and lots of them either don't know someone who has or had Covid, or they do and that person didn't have a serious case. They won't take it seriously themselves and will become part of the problem by going back to restaurants, church, etc. The only way option 3 would have worked is for the government to take total control and that never would have worked here.#3 is the best way forward for the economy. That’s what is working in countries that are closer to normal.
It’s tough to see getting on a plane without confidence that I’m not sharing air particles with someone who may be positive for COVID-19.
Oh shit youth baseball postponed another month whatever will I do.
This is the most political non-political thread ever.
#3 has no chance of happening in the US for this pandemic and doubtful for the next one or the one after. The economy can't/won't support it and people need money to live.
Once again, South Korea and the United States had their first case on the same day. They have 11,122 CASES, and we have 94K deaths.
They have 5 deaths per capita, while we have 287 deaths per capita. That's 57.4x as many once you account for population.
Seoul has a population density of 45K per square mile, which would rank 4th in the United States in population density per city.
I know we have gotten used to poor leadership, but my god we have killed so many more people than we've needed to because of delayed/no responses.
You don't become the world's greatest super power by cowering in your home.
I’m guessing you didn’t read what option 3 is. It is testing and tracing. How in the hell does “the economy not support that?”
Covid has killed more Americans in the last three months than Americans died in the Vietnam, Gulf War, Afghanistan and Iraq wars total combined.
Once again, South Korea and the United States had their first case on the same day. They have 11,122 CASES, and we have 94K deaths.
They have 5 deaths per capita, while we have 287 deaths per capita. That's 57.4x as many once you account for population.
Seoul has a population density of 45K per square mile, which would rank 4th in the United States in population density per city.
I know we have gotten used to poor leadership, but my god we have killed so many more people than we've needed to because of delayed/no responses.
This is correct. We already do contact tracing in the US for some infectious diseases (HIV and syphilis, for example, which have significant privacy concerns), so we could do it for COVID19. It would take work, but it's doable. Instead, we have had essentially no organization from the federal government, and we end up in totally dumb arguments about ineffective treatments, if masks are an assault on our freedom, how this compares to pneumonia deaths, etc.
Covid has killed more Americans in the last three months than Americans died in the Vietnam, Gulf War, Afghanistan and Iraq wars total combined.
The U.S. is about 100 times the size of South Korea. South Korea is roughly the size of Indiana. I’m not saying contact tracing is impossible or shouldn’t be ramped up significantly, but by sheer geographic scope, it’s a much more difficult task here than in South Korea.