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2020 Presidential Election: Biden v. Trump

I'm not sure why Biden would put out a plan of what he would do to re-open America when he has no ability to actually re-open America at this point.

Put out plans and policies for stuff he can do (theoretically even) if he is elected. If America is "closed" near election day, then put out a re-opening plan.

In general, the less he says right now, the better.
 
TownieDeac said:
lol remember wisconsin are we not doing phrasing anymore?
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Dozens of people did catch Covid in WI because they voted. Of course, weakass Dems aren't making this a major issue today.

Part of Trump's success in 2016 was hitting early and often. He drilled his concepts into people's minds. Dems refuse to do this.
 
DeaconSig said:
I'm not sure why Biden would put out a plan of what he would do to re-open America when he has no ability to actually re-open America at this point.

Put out plans and policies for stuff he can do (theoretically even) if he is elected. If America is "closed" near election day, then put out a re-opening plan.

In general, the less he says right now, the better.
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I recognize he has no ability to re-open America from the bench, but we've got a whole world of countries to draw on existing examples of better managed recoveries than the US. If I were Biden I think I'd be pushing the fact that I'm not Trump.

Seems like a super easy way to distinguish yourself from the grift president, no? Trump wanted to put his private industry buddies in as middle men between manufacturers and consumers of PPE. It's the equivalent of war profiteering. Biden shouldn't stay quiet on that! He muddled the instructions to governors and threw doubt on scientific concerns. Biden shouldn't stay quiet on that. Am I wrong about that?
 
DeaconSig said:
I'm not sure why Biden would put out a plan of what he would do to re-open America when he has no ability to actually re-open America at this point.

Put out plans and policies for stuff he can do (theoretically even) if he is elected. If America is "closed" near election day, then put out a re-opening plan.

In general, the less he says right now, the better.
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In general, the economic landscape has changed a good deal, so being able to speak to how he might actually go about "fixing" America strikes me as a good idea. Agreed he doesn't have to do it while Trump and his cronies are running the country into the ground, but he'll have to address it sooner or later, imo.
 
A false equivalence isn't comparing two people who want the same job. A false equivalence is treating them like they're the same. The idea that nothing would change if Hillary had won or nothing will change if Biden wins does not consider the damage Trump is doing.

Strickland33 said:
That's the point he's trying to make, Ph. Chill out!
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Which Townie was against at the time.

TownieDeac said:
People are going to die in Wisconsin today. Biden was not a very responsible voice saying it was safe to vote in person. I won’t be more inflammatory than that.
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PhDeac said:
On one hand, I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, many people have endured much worse in order to use and keep their right to vote. Wisconsin Democrats are literally deciding whether or not to try to maintain their voting rights. That's the bind Republicans have put them in.

What if Republicans pull the same thing in November? Do you tell Democrats not to vote then, too?
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Sorry Ph, but they are roughly the same. They’re major party candidates for president. There’s nothing false about drawing comparisons nor pointing out similarities between them. They have different platforms but we’re meant to compare them.
 
Trump and Biden are dramatically different. It's silly and inaccurate to say they aren't.
 
TownieDeac said:
Sorry Ph, but they are roughly the same. They’re major party candidates for president. There’s nothing false about drawing comparisons nor pointing out similarities between them. They have different platforms but we’re meant to compare them.
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Which one is it? I'm not criticizing you for making comparisons. I'm criticizing the article you posted that suggested Biden and Trump are too similar to each other for Biden to represent meaningful change. They have different platforms. Any reasonable comparison should show the differences between them. They are not the same.
 
PhDeac said:
Which one is it? I'm not criticizing you for making comparisons. I'm criticizing the article you posted that suggested Biden and Trump are too similar to each other for Biden to represent meaningful change. They have different platforms. Any reasonable comparison should show the differences between them. They are not the same.
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Ok I think we're in full agreement actually. We probably disagree about the extent to which the platforms differ, but we agree it's ok to compare them.

I didn't recognize you were talking about the article posted, and still don't see where the article was drawing a comparison between Trump and Biden. I thought you were continuing from my discussion about the extent to which Biden should lay low versus try and distinguish himself, his record, and his plans from Trump.
 
I mean he does have a whole page dedicated to what should be done for Covid-19, it basically mirrors what the house and senate democrats say we should be doing, and a lot of the house's most recent bill. Its kind of a fine line to walk because a lot of the statements are also about not making a response political, which in most places it isnt even a question because a response shouldn't be political. Though overall its kinda like all his policies and why I am comfortable saying he will mold to whatever the democrats put forth while also listening to a team of experts, he is a democrat yes man. The house passes their most recent bill and Biden is president, that thing is getting signed no questions asked.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
I mean he does have a whole page dedicated to what should be done for Covid-19, it basically mirrors what the house and senate democrats say we should be doing, and a lot of the house's most recent bill. Its kind of a fine line to walk because a lot of the statements are also about not making a response political, which in most places it isnt even a question because a response shouldn't be political. Though overall its kinda like all his policies and why I am comfortable saying he will mold to whatever the democrats put forth while also listening to a team of experts, he is a democrat yes man. The house passes their most recent bill and Biden is president, that thing is getting signed no questions asked.
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fair enough
 
wakelaw13 said:
Agreed RJ. It’s pretty ridiculous to even frame Biden as the lesser of two evils, because he’s not evil. I’m not a fan of the new left or whatever you want to call it. I’m especially not a fan of seeing the GOP destroy all progress in a state like N.C. because Bernie was the nominee.
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Counterpoint: he’s evil.
 
"Nothing will fundamentally change under a Biden presidency" is the message I keep hearing in my head though, his reassurance to Wall St

 
MHBDemon said:
Counterpoint: he’s evil.
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Trump agrees with you...like on so many other issues including 100% fealty to the way each of you think, not negotiating and attacking those who don't fall in line without asking any questions.
 
The five richest Americans gained $75.5 BN since April. 36 million people lost their jobs.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
I mean he does have a whole page dedicated to what should be done for Covid-19, it basically mirrors what the house and senate democrats say we should be doing, and a lot of the house's most recent bill. Its kind of a fine line to walk because a lot of the statements are also about not making a response political, which in most places it isnt even a question because a response shouldn't be political. Though overall its kinda like all his policies and why I am comfortable saying he will mold to whatever the democrats put forth while also listening to a team of experts, he is a democrat yes man. The house passes their most recent bill and Biden is president, that thing is getting signed no questions asked.
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Exactly. Biden will be at the center of the party no matter what. If you want change, elect Biden and move the party to the left. He will get something done.
 
TownieDeac said:
The five richest Americans gained $75.5 BN since April. 36 million people lost their jobs.
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true but have you considered that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump

and a second Trump term would literally destroy America
 
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