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Non-Political Coronavirus Thread

I believe I read that localities with the biggest protests have not seen an increase in cases. Likely due to the number of worn masks at the events. Went to two protests in Boston and I don’t think I saw more than five people total at the two without masks on. Of course Massachusetts has shown to be one of the best states in handling the virus from a reopening perspective (controlling for population density) so perhaps this is merely anecdotal and not the case in other city protests
 
How about the rest of TX? They are setting records and it's so widespread that the hardcore governor has made taken steps that all counties with over twenty positives have to follow.
 
Regarding Florida, Texas, and South Carolina, rarely do you see a quick direct implication of bad politics - can take years for proposed ideas to see failure or success - but with these states that reopened, saw a stark increase in cases, and have started closing down again we see exactly that. Reopening a month ago was stupid.
 
10,059 new cases reported yesterday in Florida.
 
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Wakeforest22890 said:
I believe I read that localities with the biggest protests have not seen an increase in cases. Likely due to the number of worn masks at the events. Went to two protests in Boston and I don’t think I saw more than five people total at the two without masks on. Of course Massachusetts has shown to be one of the best states in handling the virus from a reopening perspective (controlling for population density) so perhaps this is merely anecdotal and not the case in other city protests
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The studies that show this seem to attribute it to the protests kept all the non protestors home more, so it resulted a net increase in social distancing.
 
stugotz said:
The studies that show this seem to attribute it to the protests kept all the non protestors home more, so it resulted a net increase in social distancing.
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May explain some cities but doesn't really explain the Boston situation where there were mostly daylight protests and only a couple nights of "trouble" downtown (where no restaurants or anything were open to start with anyways besides take out).
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I believe I read that localities with the biggest protests have not seen an increase in cases. Likely due to the number of worn masks at the events. Went to two protests in Boston and I don’t think I saw more than five people total at the two without masks on. Of course Massachusetts has shown to be one of the best states in handling the virus from a reopening perspective (controlling for population density) so perhaps this is merely anecdotal and not the case in other city protests
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stugotz said:
The studies that show this seem to attribute it to the protests kept all the non protestors home more, so it resulted a net increase in social distancing.
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Wakeforest22890 said:
May explain some cities but doesn't really explain the Boston situation where there were mostly daylight protests and only a couple nights of "trouble" downtown (where no restaurants or anything were open to start with anyways besides take out).
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yeah
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
May explain some cities but doesn't really explain the Boston situation where there were mostly daylight protests and only a couple nights of "trouble" downtown (where no restaurants or anything were open to start with anyways besides take out).
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Well I mean the virus isn't in every location at equal rates at all times. Maybe by sheer luck the people of Boston had less coronavirus than other places, or that it just so happened the people protesting in this one city weren't infected so it had no effect. I have a hard time believing that mask or no mask, a lot of people chanting at the top of their lungs in close proximity won't help transmit the virus. It makes sense in Los Angeles, as we had grocery stores and pharmacies which were usually open, boarded up for a good week. Then again here we are a month later and now coronavirus is getting out of control here, after being fairly well managed pre-protests. But it's hard to isolate as they also were opening up indoor dining as well.
 
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Well I mean the virus isn't in every location at equal rates at all times. Maybe by sheer luck the people of Boston had less coronavirus than other places, or that it just so happened the people protesting in this one city weren't infected so it had no effect. I have a hard time believing that mask or no mask, a lot of people chanting at the top of their lungs in close proximity won't help transmit the virus. It makes sense in Los Angeles, as we had grocery stores and pharmacies which were usually open, boarded up for a good week. Then again here we are a month later and now coronavirus is getting out of control here, after being fairly well managed pre-protests. But it's hard to isolate as they also were opening up indoor dining as well.
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Well yeah cities with higher population density were always going to get hit with a pretty big peak at some point. Population density seems to be one of if not the biggest indicator of spread. Which obviously makes sense..
 
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Yeah I mean I've been pretty vocal about how most states should have followed Massachusetts (aka the original CDC guidelines) about shutting down and reopening details yet plenty of states chose not to do so. How many states actually followed the simple guidelines that you wait for 14 days of declining case numbers and hospitalizations before reopening any phases?

I also haven't seen any "studies" showing that protests kept more people at home avoiding the protests. I don't even know how you'd study that controlling for the various other factors.
 
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Yeah I mean I've been pretty vocal about how most states should have followed Massachusetts (aka the original CDC guidelines) about shutting down and reopening details yet plenty of states chose not to do so. How many states actually followed the simple guidelines that you wait for 14 days of declining case numbers and hospitalizations before reopening any phases?

I also haven't seen any "studies" showing that protests kept more people at home avoiding the protests. I don't even know how you'd study that controlling for the various other factors.
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from the thread on the politics board:

This study is the first to empirically examine the linkage between the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests and the spread of COVID-19, which has been a point of concern among public health officials and the media (Bacon 2020; Goldberg 2020; Harmon and Rojas 2020). While it is almost certain that the protests caused a decrease in social distancing behavior among protest attendees, we demonstrate that effect of the protests on the social distancing behavior of the entire population residing in counties with large urban protests was positive.
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Wakeforest22890 said:
Yeah I mean I've been pretty vocal about how most states should have followed Massachusetts (aka the original CDC guidelines) about shutting down and reopening details yet plenty of states chose not to do so. How many states actually followed the simple guidelines that you wait for 14 days of declining case numbers and hospitalizations before reopening any phases?

I also haven't seen any "studies" showing that protests kept more people at home avoiding the protests. I don't even know how you'd study that controlling for the various other factors.
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Well I mean there was only one "study" or article that said the protests didn't increase the spread much, and the reason they said it didn't is because the non-protestors were more socially distant to counter balance it. It was posted here or on the other thread. Don't know why we have 2 coronavirus threads at this point, let's just lock one.
 
Interesting theory.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-may-not-originated-143843488.html

Dr Tom Jefferson, senior associate tutor at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM), at Oxford, and visiting professor at Newcastle University, argues that there is growing evidence that the virus was elsewhere before it emerged in Asia.
Last week, Spanish virologists announced they had found traces of the disease in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the coronavirus disease was seen in China.
Italian scientists have also found evidence of coronavirus in sewage samples in Milan and Turin, in mid-December, many weeks before the first case was detected, while experts have found traces in Brazil in November.
Dr Jefferson believes that many viruses lie dormant throughout the globe and emerge when conditions are favourable. It also means they can vanish as quickly as they arrive.
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"There was a case in the Falkland Islands in early February. Now where did that come from? There was a cruise ship that went from South Georgia to Buenos Aires, and the passengers were screened and then on day eight, when they started sailing towards the Weddell Sea, they got the first case. Was it in prepared food that was defrosted and activated?
"Strange things like this happened with Spanish Flu. In 1918 around 30 per cent of the population of Western Samoa died of Spanish Flu, and they hadn’t had any communication with the outside world.
"The explanation for this could only be that these agents don’t come or go anywhere. They are always here and something ignites them, maybe human density or environmental conditions, and this is what we should be looking for."
Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing.
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Nick Cordero died today. If you hadn't heard of him, basically a 41 year old broadway actor who's been in the hospital for 3 months, had a leg amputated, and his wife was like giving constant updates on his condition the past 3 months. Following those updates are largely what have been freaking me out the past few months. Around my age, no pre-existing conditions, seemed fairly fit.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nick-cordero-dies-covid-19-015516875.html
 
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