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Non-Political Coronavirus Thread

JuiceCrewAllStar said:
is your argument that it's all or nothing when it comes to adopting elements of another culture?

because I'mma need you to show your work if so
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No, I'm saying that Japan's success (such that it is) isn't due to a thing that you can just unplug from their culture and plug into ours. It's a rope made out of a hundred strands that happens to be damn good at combating an epidemic/pandemic. People saying, "oh, let's just use their rope then" is like saying, "well, why doesn't the Democratic Republic of Congo just use a rocket ship to get to the moon like the United States does?" A lot of shit would have to be fundamentally different for that to happen.

We can totally say, "let's wear a mask more" and maybe someone will say something like, "yeah! In Japan/Asia people wear masks! Let's do that." But that's still a fundamental misunderstanding of the how/why. The sentiment is great, but it's something like, "well, I want to shoot a bow and arrow better, so maybe I should start sitting Indian style!"
 
scooter84 said:
I don't think you are listening, or hearing me, or care to understand that I am not the problem. Yeah, we took one trip out of the country months ago. But, during the trip and otherwise, we are diligent about wearing masks, distancing, washing hands, avoiding restaurants, avoiding crowds, etc. etc. etc. - everything that they say we should be doing. In several posts here people say "yea, stop being selfish, wears your masks' - well, no kidding, we wear our masks.

The people that are the problem are the ones that are not doing any of those things. Which is more dangerous, taking one trip to a place were there are no cases, while you wear masks and take other recommended safety precautions - or going about your life as normal - eating out, going to crowded bars, etc. etc. all without wearing masks or otherwise taking precautions? I think it is pretty obvious.
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The fact that other people are more socially irresponsible than you does not make you socially responsible. I'm glad you are wearing masks, etc., but traveling to the Caribbean with 3 other couples for a vacation in the middle of a global pandemic that has taken the lives of 1.7 million people since March (or whatever the number was in October) is not socially responsible, IMHO, regardless of the protective measures you took.
 
Resilient Deac said:
You mom is the unsung hero of 2020. In a year of sorrow, pain and sadness, your mom was there for many of us. She needs to be given much appreciation for this. Also, please tell her I'm sorry about bringing Knight's mom over the other night to join in. Your mom always gets sensitive when she isn't the center of attention.
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Can someone explain to me what is up with this?
Mako has been very decent with me and I'll be damned if I'm going to "jump" on his Mom who I imagine is a wonderful woman. :wtf:
 
Granted, I've been spreading rep faster than Mako's mom spreads her legs, but I still can't get back around to you.

Alright, I'm done. I finally feel bad.
 
WakeBored said:
The fact that other people are more socially irresponsible than you does not make you socially responsible. I'm glad you are wearing masks, etc., but traveling to the Caribbean with 3 other couples for a vacation in the middle of a global pandemic that has taken the lives of 1.7 million people since March (or whatever the number was in October) is not socially responsible, IMHO, regardless of the protective measures you took.
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I disagree. And it was 4 other couples.
 
scooter84 said:
I don't think you are listening, or hearing me, or care to understand that I am not the problem. Yeah, we took one trip out of the country months ago. But, during the trip and otherwise, we are diligent about wearing masks, distancing, washing hands, avoiding restaurants, avoiding crowds, etc. etc. etc. - everything that they say we should be doing. In several posts here people say "yea, stop being selfish, wears your masks' - well, no kidding, we wear our masks.

The people that are the problem are the ones that are not doing any of those things. Which is more dangerous, taking one trip to a place were there are no cases, while you wear masks and take other recommended safety precautions - or going about your life as normal - eating out, going to crowded bars, etc. etc. all without wearing masks or otherwise taking precautions? I think it is pretty obvious.
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You went to an airport. Glad you felt safe enough to do so. I typically say don’t blame people when systems are the ones failing us but I also blame people for keeping the pandemic going. Just feels like you’re saying that people like me who have sacrificed things like vacation and visiting with friends are being too passive and fearful.
 
TownieDeac said:
You went to an airport. Glad you felt safe enough to do so. I typically say don’t blame people when systems are the ones failing us but I also blame people for keeping the pandemic going. Just feels like you’re saying that people like me who have sacrificed things like vacation and visiting with friends are being too passive and fearful.
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This is just one of those things that is dividing so many people right now. I have friends/family that haven't seen anyone outside of their kids/spouse since March and I have friends/family who hammer home the "you can't live in fear" view. I'm somewhere in the middle.

At the end of the day, I think there is a grey area...We can be cautious, while not completely shutting our lives down. Many people struggle big time with depression and anxiety due to the lack of normalcy and not being able to spend time with their friends and family. Flying out of the country is a bad idea, but getting in a car with another family and driving to the beach is somewhere in between the "live freely" crowd and "stay home" crowd.

We all need to be supportive of one another and try to understand that while going out to eat, or driving to see some friends might put you at risk of catching COVID, the opposite of that is sitting at home, feeling depressed, self medicating and falling into a bad rut. This isn't the case for everyone, but many people are struggling with a lot of shit. Everyone is fighting their own battles and dealing with their own shit in many ways.

Now, there are complete ass holes who don't wear masks, eat out every meal, jump on planes, vacation nonstop...Those folks are in their own category.
 
Just put off your fucking Caribbean vacation for like 9 months. Drive to topsail and rent a place. See your friends out on a porch instead of sharing a house. Jesus fucking Christ.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Just put off your fucking Caribbean vacation for like 9 months. Drive to topsail and stay in a house. See your friends out on a porch instead of sharing a house. Jesus fucking Christ.
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This is where I am. I just feel like anything else is really selfish outside of extenuating circumstances.
 
I mean yeah, people shouldn't be flying or cruising anywhere right now. I definitely don't disagree with that.

Didn't Scooter go on vacation well before shit hit the fan? I didn't follow the whole story.
 
Resilient Deac said:
I mean yeah, people shouldn't be flying or cruising anywhere right now. I definitely don't disagree with that.

Didn't Scooter go on vacation well before shit hit the fan? I didn't follow the whole story.
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I think he said October.
 
Resilient Deac said:
I mean yeah, people shouldn't be flying or cruising anywhere right now. I definitely don't disagree with that.

Didn't Scooter go on vacation well before shit hit the fan? I didn't follow the whole story.
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lol "before the shit hit the fan"
 
WakeBored said:
The bolded is wrong.

I'm no expert in any of this, but just poking around on the internet, it looks like about 15.3% of COVID deaths are in the 50-64 age group. At 318,000 total deaths in the US so far, that's about 49,000 deaths in the 50-64 age group.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html

The University of Washington is predicting 561,000 deaths in the US by April 1. That would be about 555,000 deaths from April 1, 2020 to April 1, 2021, about 86,000 of which would be in the 50-64 age group if we stick with the 15.3% figure.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

There are about 6,000 deaths per year in the US attributed to the flu in the 50-64 age group.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

So, COVID is about 14x more deadly than the average seasonal flu for the 50-64 age group.
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good post
 
scooter84 said:
Whelp, they didn't and she didn't and no one was recommending that we cancel that trip when we took it. You don't know a damn thing about all the things she has done to keep herself and her kids safe so you don't need to be barking up that tree.
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All I need to know is that she thought it was a good idea to fly to the Caribbean with at least 8 other people outside her household in the middle of a pandemic.

How long did she quarantine after she got back, before she went back to work?
 
We were supposed to fly to St Maarten for a small ~200 person cruise through the Caribbean for family Christmas this year. The idea of that trip now is pretty crazy. Cruise got canceled and I shut down any thought of flying down there and renting a house. The rest of my family (other than the wife and me) have all had Covid, so they don't really care anymore.

My boss wants to book out flights for me to visit the home office in SLC next year and "leave it up to me" when to use them. Love the guy so far, but that's such a tough ask. Like, I don't really feel comfortable flying at all, but also want to seem like an eager team-player, and get some face-time with the executive team. Felt pretty safe when I flew out there for the final interview process in mid-Oct, but things feel so much worse now.
 
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