Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

[Les Grossman]

I’m guessing school officials rightfully were afraid of the parents and potential public backlash should it go viral.

Nonsense. What parent would be upset because the school their kid went to was overly protective in trying to stop what they deemed a threat?

This is anecdotal, but there have been several kids here locally over the years who have been arrested for “making threats” at school that are virtually no different than what happened here and all the parents praise law enforcement for taking it seriously and protecting their kids.

Edited to add: 4th amendment protections for kids on school property are much less stringent, and the school would’ve been completely justified in doing a quick search of his bag for any weapons.

 

[PhDeac]

How on earth is that nonsense? We already know the kid's parents are a piece of work Trumpers. We also know that those types love to shit on schools. It doesn't take much to imagine that kid being the next victim of wokeness/teachers unions/CRT/however they want to package it.

 

[plama]

How on earth is that nonsense? We already know the kid's parents are a piece of work Trumpers. We also know that those types love to shit on schools. It doesn't take much to imagine that kid being the next victim of wokeness/teachers unions/CRT/however they want to package it.

It's nonsense because if the dude as reported said "I can't stop , please help" there's no other possible reasonable course of action than removing him immediately. But your general point stands in that administrators are going to be less prone to making life and death decisions in cases like this, and that's a good point. Just like the right is correct in saying the police are now doing the same thing when choosing not to do their jobs. Cancel culture sucks either way ya slice it.

 

[Les Grossman]

How on earth is that nonsense? We already know the kid's parents are a piece of work Trumpers. We also know that those types love to shit on schools. It doesn't take much to imagine that kid being the next victim of wokeness/teachers unions/CRT/however they want to package it.

I’ve yet to see a school and/or law enforcement get blowback by being too aggressive for trying to stop/avert a potential school shooter. When that happens, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

 

[Ball State Deac]

Apparently the parents used to go drinking and leave the kid at home alone when he was much younger. A former neighbor had called CPS but the behavior continued.

 

[Deleted member 7528]

I’ve yet to see a school and/or law enforcement get blowback by being too aggressive for trying to stop/avert a potential school shooter. When that happens, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

I wouldn't hold your breathe. Of course it's nonsense.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

It seems like police officers and some posters here should be able to differentiate between body slamming black students/handcuffing 8 year olds vs taking a teenager home who is asking for help, threatening to commit mass violence. It’s completely asinine to believe that police can’t prevent *any* school threats simply because they are not allowed to physically abuse children.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

If school resource officers just can’t help themselves from Tombstone Piledriving students, that’s a personal self control problem, not a political correctness cancellation problem.

 

[deactherunner]

I’ve yet to see a school and/or law enforcement get blowback by being too aggressive for trying to stop/avert a potential school shooter. When that happens, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

I hadn't seen foul-mouthed tirades over vaccine requirements until this past year. Times are changing. Gun owners think their under siege.

 

[deactherunner]

*they're

 

[scooter84]

Nonsense. What parent would be upset because the school their kid went to was overly protective in trying to stop what they deemed a threat?

This is anecdotal, but there have been several kids here locally over the years who have been arrested for “making threats” at school that are virtually no different than what happened here and all the parents praise law enforcement for taking it seriously and protecting their kids.

Edited to add: 4th amendment protections for kids on school property are much less stringent, and the school would’ve been completely justified in doing a quick search of his bag for any weapons.

It is hard to know for sure but I doubt the admin hesitated to take action against the kid or remove him from school because they were afraid of blowback - more likely they just failed to take the situation seriously enough. It is human nature, I think, to downplay situations when you are in them. Even with the school shooting that have happened, it is hard to imagine that it is going to happen to you - by the harmless-looking kid sitting in front of you right now.

I know, in retrospect this seems like one situation where the red flags should have been flapping in the breeze and sirens going off in their heads... but, people just assume that it won't happen at their school. The kid had apparently never been in trouble before, was not showing signs of violence, or whatever - I don't know. The parents weren't freaking out and I am sure didn't mention the fact they had just bought a handgun... As a parent, if I was presented with the drawing they found and the other strange behavior, I hope that I would have been the one taking him out of school and straight to a counselor...

 

[PhDeac]

School officials met with the parents because of the flapping red flags.

 

[scooter84]

School officials met with the parents because of the flapping red flags.

I know that. But no one recognized the seriousness and took the next steps of searching his bag or taking him out of school for counseling/assessment, etc. Apparently he made up an excuse for the drawing and they bought it. Mental illness is weird - he made the drawing as a request for help but then when help was offered, in the form of this meeting with admin and his parents, he decided to explain it away so he could get back in school and carry out his plan.

 

[PhDeac]

Or the kid is just a violent shithead with horrible parents and he fantasized about killing his classmates with the gun his parents bought him. Blaming "mental illness" for mass shootings just absolves white violence and unfairly stigmatizes people with real mental illness. It's also part of blaming violence by other people on their culture.

 

[deacdiggler]

I was going to respond to this by pointing out that, by this logic, anyone who votes for a Dem has the blood of the 850,000 or so aborted fetuses that occur in the US every year on their hands, but then I remembered that Dems don’t actually have a moral compass, so that observation doesn’t quite have the same punch.

so now that abortion is going to be outlawed, you'll obviously be voting for the gun control candidates?

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Or the kid is just a violent shithead with horrible parents and he fantasized about killing his classmates with the gun his parents bought him. Blaming "mental illness" for mass shootings just absolves white violence and unfairly stigmatizes people with real mental illness. It's also part of blaming violence by other people on their culture.

Surprised that you would be so quick to discount the possibility of a psychological disorder. I haven’t heard any information regarding a political or social motivation for the murders. Killing for its own sake is a very strong indicator of sociopathy. His parents being terrible might very well have been encouraging traits and emotions of his that they didn’t understand.

 

[PhDeac]

I'm dismissing mental illness as an explanation. Whether or not he has a psychological disorder, plenty of people have a mental illness and don't shoot up schools. But mental illness amid a violent upbringing is a legitimate explanation.

 

[birdman]

Or the kid is just a violent shithead with horrible parents and he fantasized about killing his classmates with the gun his parents bought him. Blaming "mental illness" for mass shootings just absolves white violence and unfairly stigmatizes people with real mental illness. It's also part of blaming violence by other people on their culture.

It is really hard to separate this kind of event from "real mental illness." These episodes are "real mental illness" run wild without any medical intervention. I said it yesterday, but the second biggest cause of these kinds of mass shootings (after access to guns) is not taking mental health seriously in our society until catastrophe happens. He is a violent kid with horrible parents, yes, but mental illness is threaded throughout this story.

 

[scooter84]

Or the kid is just a violent shithead with horrible parents and he fantasized about killing his classmates with the gun his parents bought him. Blaming "mental illness" for mass shootings just absolves white violence and unfairly stigmatizes people with real mental illness. It's also part of blaming violence by other people on their culture.

Wow - what a terrible take. The only thing you said that is probably correct is that the parents sound pretty horrible. I would say that fantasizing about killing your classmates, talking about voices that won't stop, making drawings asking for help, and shooting a bunch of random kids is pretty much the definition of mental illness.

How the hell is this "white violence" that someone is trying to absolve? Saying the kid was mentally ill doesn't make it OK. This wasn't a hate crime against a certain group - this was a random shooting by a kid that was hearing voices and screaming for help that never came.

 

[PhDeac]

scooter, have you said a murder committed by a Black boy was due to mental illness? Probably not. That's just not something we do in this society. White gun violence? Mental illness. Black gun violence? Culture of violence.