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Next year’s football team

IAppreciateIt said:
we already knew he was moving on, but ty hardimon is in the transfer portal.

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Best of luck to Ty Hardimon. Hope he finds a good place for the next chapter in his life.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
I disagree, Leary wasn't highly rated by any advanced stat: https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr/_/group/1 (EPA seems to everyone's favorite these days -- I think it's my preference too, although haven't done much research)

This is all backed up by NC State having a middling offense despite (ostensibly) good running backs and wide receivers.

Also by my limited eye test. It's so much easier to play defense when the opposing QB isn't mobile with these spread offenses.
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Interesting, I had not seen some of those more advanced stats lately, though I don't know if these guys will be judged by them. I was thinking more of who is going to get ACC All-Preseason/POY hype.

If we go by EPA, then Hartman and Pickett were in a class of their own last year and Hartman should be preseason POY.
 
DCDeac said:
What's funny is that against Clemson, our first possession featured zero mesh plays. Our 2nd possession our first mesh play went for 12 and a first down, our 2nd went for a nice gain on the ground. Then we ran a fake handoff then a shotgun pass with protection, both sacks.

Third time around we tried an immediate throw wide to get Roberson in space, lost a yard. Then two more shotgun throws, no mesh. Out.

We were going to attempt a mesh run on 2nd and 1 the next possession but a false start killed the play, we didn't try another. All told first 4 possessions we had 2 mesh plays for 17 yards and I believe only one other positive yardage play with like 4 sacks on the rest.

The mesh has been a popular punching bag for why we lost to Clemson but it feels a little misplaced. Seems like an offensive line scheme issue more than anything else, plus when you rewatch the game it's pretty clear the coaches agreed with posters here that the mesh wouldn't work consistently against Clemson.
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It's an all around problem. Wake doesn't really want to get into a gameplan where they just get into shotgun, drop back, and fire. It worked against Army because, well, they had better athletes than Army. That goes out the window against Pitt/Clemson/UNC/NC State, even Rutgers in their depleted state showed a bigger DL can attack the interior.

The mesh is an integral part of the offense because keeping defenses off balance is how Wake makes up for deficiencies in talent. The more options you give a defense to have to defend, the harder it is. It's not the reason Wake lost, it's just part of the overall problem. Unless you get better on the OL(especially the interior), you're not going to do well against those bigger and faster DLs. PFF isn't everything but the interior *consistently* grades much lower than the tackles, and was the same last year. Part of it is injuries, I know Jurgens/Petitbon/Sell/Maginn were all a bit banged up towards the latter part of the year, but that's where the game is won and lost. We saw it in the national title game. Football at its core is about blocking and tackling. The interior just hasn't been able to hold up.

Scheme has been a slight issue, I(and Conor) don't really understand screens to guys like Roberson. Morin I guess, but Roberson made no sense, that should be where Ke'Shawn thrives. When they do drop back from shotgun, a lot of times they have these long developing routes and that's what makes me want to bang my head on the wall. If you know you can't have those kinds of routes when you're running mesh, why do you think you can run them there? Which in turn has Hartman pushing down the field more than he should or taking a sack because the interior just gets blown up
 
Gramlich is a former Clemson women's hoops player. MacLain played football there. Between App, Clemson, and the wonder that is Duke's Mayo, they may not even mention Wake.
 
PhDeac said:
Gramlich is a former Clemson women's hoops player. MacLain played football there. Between App, Clemson, and the wonder that is Duke's Mayo, they may not even mention Wake.
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I listened to that podcast a good bit on my commute this season. Gramlich and Mac do really like Wake. Ethan, I’m not so sure.
 
listened to it this morning. wasn't an awful segment but while i have no particular distaste for ethan joyce, he is clearly not very knowledgeable about our program. curious why they didn't/couldn't go for conor (or les). beating a dead horse, but the lack of proper media coverage is a problem. i know i've talked about possibly trying to get something going to get our new media presence up to par, but that's not gonna solve the problem with more mainstream media, which still matters.
 
CamLemons said:
It's an all around problem. Wake doesn't really want to get into a gameplan where they just get into shotgun, drop back, and fire. It worked against Army because, well, they had better athletes than Army. That goes out the window against Pitt/Clemson/UNC/NC State, even Rutgers in their depleted state showed a bigger DL can attack the interior.

The mesh is an integral part of the offense because keeping defenses off balance is how Wake makes up for deficiencies in talent. The more options you give a defense to have to defend, the harder it is. It's not the reason Wake lost, it's just part of the overall problem. Unless you get better on the OL(especially the interior), you're not going to do well against those bigger and faster DLs. PFF isn't everything but the interior *consistently* grades much lower than the tackles, and was the same last year. Part of it is injuries, I know Jurgens/Petitbon/Sell/Maginn were all a bit banged up towards the latter part of the year, but that's where the game is won and lost. We saw it in the national title game. Football at its core is about blocking and tackling. The interior just hasn't been able to hold up.

Scheme has been a slight issue, I(and Conor) don't really understand screens to guys like Roberson. Morin I guess, but Roberson made no sense, that should be where Ke'Shawn thrives. When they do drop back from shotgun, a lot of times they have these long developing routes and that's what makes me want to bang my head on the wall. If you know you can't have those kinds of routes when you're running mesh, why do you think you can run them there? Which in turn has Hartman pushing down the field more than he should or taking a sack because the interior just gets blown up
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This is more of a "it sure seems like" observation, which is the worst kind. I noticed with the passing offense, in 2021, it seemed that Sam took shots downfield way more often than in 2020. Obviously, it was so bad, those passes looked like desperation heaves in the ACCCG. Why did the offense go away from the slants, and short routes this year. Maybe they were trying to hit tight ends more in those sports? Maybe Sam was a little nervous about the slants after the Mayo Bowl, or was it just that the WR superior talent just happened to be down the field (and Roberson was hurt)
 
The paper will probably be most responsive to actual letters written, printed and mailed via US Postal Service. The letters need to forcefully but politely explain that the lack of proper coverage of Wake Forest directly impacts your willingness to be a subscriber and reader. These will be most effective coming from individuals residing in their home delivery area. Those outside that area can impact also because of electronic distribution.
 
HCF3 said:
This is more of a "it sure seems like" observation, which is the worst kind. I noticed with the passing offense, in 2021, it seemed that Sam took shots downfield way more often than in 2020. Obviously, it was so bad, those passes looked like desperation heaves in the ACCCG. Why did the offense go away from the slants, and short routes this year. Maybe they were trying to hit tight ends more in those sports? Maybe Sam was a little nervous about the slants after the Mayo Bowl, or was it just that the WR superior talent just happened to be down the field (and Roberson was hurt)
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Fairly certain that at least some of that is part of the offense. Against a blitz and Pitt was brining it constantly, the hot read is to take the 1v1 shot downfield to the WR which we usually win, but Pitt's CBs did a good job and Sam missed a few.
 
This is just probably off-season filler talk, but we haven't heard much yet about Lambert changing the coaching staff as of yet. You would think he would want to bring in some of his own guys. Would Lambert consider bringing Curry back as LB coach?

This would not simply be a move made purely out of nostalgia. Curry previously coached under Lambert at Charlotte, first as a GA and then as a D-line coach. Curry is currently a defensive assistant/ LB coach for the Seahawks. He is a NC product, former 1st round pick, and probably the best LB to ever play in Lambert's system. The match would seem to make sense, especially if Lambert is looking to upgrade our LB play. There would need to be interest on both sides, but in my mind it makes alot of sense.
 
CamLemons said:
It's an all around problem. Wake doesn't really want to get into a gameplan where they just get into shotgun, drop back, and fire. It worked against Army because, well, they had better athletes than Army. That goes out the window against Pitt/Clemson/UNC/NC State, even Rutgers in their depleted state showed a bigger DL can attack the interior.

The mesh is an integral part of the offense because keeping defenses off balance is how Wake makes up for deficiencies in talent. The more options you give a defense to have to defend, the harder it is. It's not the reason Wake lost, it's just part of the overall problem. Unless you get better on the OL(especially the interior), you're not going to do well against those bigger and faster DLs. PFF isn't everything but the interior *consistently* grades much lower than the tackles, and was the same last year. Part of it is injuries, I know Jurgens/Petitbon/Sell/Maginn were all a bit banged up towards the latter part of the year, but that's where the game is won and lost. We saw it in the national title game. Football at its core is about blocking and tackling. The interior just hasn't been able to hold up.

Scheme has been a slight issue, I(and Conor) don't really understand screens to guys like Roberson. Morin I guess, but Roberson made no sense, that should be where Ke'Shawn thrives. When they do drop back from shotgun, a lot of times they have these long developing routes and that's what makes me want to bang my head on the wall. If you know you can't have those kinds of routes when you're running mesh, why do you think you can run them there? Which in turn has Hartman pushing down the field more than he should or taking a sack because the interior just gets blown up
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Completely agree with this. Morin and Williams would be way better in the screen game. We saw this against Rutgers with each having big 3rd and long plays. I bet with those two in the slot, Wake will go back to using the slot the same way it was used with Dortch. Lots of slants and screens.
 
TimmyClutch said:
This is just probably off-season filler talk, but we haven't heard much yet about Lambert changing the coaching staff as of yet. You would think he would want to bring in some of his own guys. Would Lambert consider bringing Curry back as LB coach?

This would not simply be a move made purely out of nostalgia. Curry previously coached under Lambert at Charlotte, first as a GA and then as a D-line coach. Curry is currently a defensive assistant/ LB coach for the Seahawks. He is a NC product, former 1st round pick, and probably the best LB to ever play in Lambert's system. The match would seem to make sense, especially if Lambert is looking to upgrade our LB play. There would need to be interest on both sides, but in my mind it makes alot of sense.
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Curry would consider this just to avoid the high taxes out in Seattle.
 
TimmyClutch said:
This is just probably off-season filler talk, but we haven't heard much yet about Lambert changing the coaching staff as of yet. You would think he would want to bring in some of his own guys. Would Lambert consider bringing Curry back as LB coach?

This would not simply be a move made purely out of nostalgia. Curry previously coached under Lambert at Charlotte, first as a GA and then as a D-line coach. Curry is currently a defensive assistant/ LB coach for the Seahawks. He is a NC product, former 1st round pick, and probably the best LB to ever play in Lambert's system. The match would seem to make sense, especially if Lambert is looking to upgrade our LB play. There would need to be interest on both sides, but in my mind it makes alot of sense.
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James Adams is most likely the guy if Lambert brings another coach in. He was also a former WF LB who had a career ending injury. Was a GA at Wake then coached with Lambert for 8 years in Charlotte then reunited with Lambert this past season at Purdue. Also spent time at Wofford, Western Michigan and Navy.
 
That was the word last week but there’s been no movement.
 
BBDeac said:
James Adams is most likely the guy if Lambert brings another coach in. He was also a former WF LB who had a career ending injury. Was a GA at Wake then coached with Lambert for 8 years in Charlotte then reunited with Lambert this past season at Purdue. Also spent time at Wofford, Western Michigan and Navy.
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Adams was the Cornerbacks coach at Purdue. His entire coaching tenure he has been either a DB's or CB coach. I don't see why he would switch to LB coach now. Bringing him along with Lambert was the talk prior to Lambert signing, but I don't see why Adams wouldn't be a candidate for DB coach and Curry a candidate for LB coach. It would make sense that a coordinator would want more guys who are familiar with his system on the staff.
 
TimmyClutch said:
Adams was the Cornerbacks coach at Purdue. His entire coaching tenure he has been either a DB's or CB coach. I don't see why he would switch to LB coach now. Bringing him along with Lambert was the talk prior to Lambert signing, but I don't see why Adams wouldn't be a candidate for DB coach and Curry a candidate for LB coach. It would make sense that a coordinator would want more guys who are familiar with his system on the staff.
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He doesn’t have to be the LB coach. Lambert could be LB coach and Adams takes safeties if they move on from Greg Jones or Adams could take Nickles and help Lambert with safeties if they move on from Crawford.
 
TimmyClutch said:
Adams was the Cornerbacks coach at Purdue. His entire coaching tenure he has been either a DB's or CB coach. I don't see why he would switch to LB coach now. Bringing him along with Lambert was the talk prior to Lambert signing, but I don't see why Adams wouldn't be a candidate for DB coach and Curry a candidate for LB coach. It would make sense that a coordinator would want more guys who are familiar with his system on the staff.
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Adams is still in play.
 
Wake doesn't currently have an opening for an on-field assistant coach. Probably some negotiations going on to create a spot (or spots) for Lambert to bring in his guy(s).
 
Negotiations? Seems like Clawson just has to fire dude(s).
 
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