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Ukraine is game to you?

Its too bad Ukraine likely doesn't have the capability to lob some missiles over on certain Russian military targets.
That might galvanize more anti-Putin sentiment.
 
COVID really changed the whole equation when it came to war to me. Like I'm reading these reports of like 369 ukranians have died so far including 110 civilians and I'm over here thinking "that's it? nuthingburger"
 
I saw a pretty good thread about the difference between 2014 Crimea and now. In 2014 Russia pretty much rolled them, it was like when they went into Georgia. The Ukrainian military was outdated, demoralized and the outcome was what you would expect. Since that time they have tried to modernize but more important developed combat experience. Since that time in the other separatist regions because of a requirement over 400,000 citizens have combat experience. You are called up, you go fight the separatists, then go back to being a cab driver or whatever. Further more they emphasized a territorial defense plan where other average joes learned combat on the weekend. All put together the 2022 military is nothing like 2014 and that could be one cause of this massive blunder.
 
demondeacfreak said:
That makes as much sense as anything else, but nothing really makes much sense about this to me yet.

This whole thing has felt like a massive blunder from the beginning, and I have never been able to comprehend the upside of invading Ukraine. Russia already has Crimea, and they could have deployed "peacekeepers" to Lugansk and Donetsk without much resistance from the rest of Europe and the US, so why strike at Kyiv, Kharkiv, etc.? He must have been counting on slight Ukrainian resistance, but why on earth would someone think that an army fighting on its home soil won't resist? I just don't get it.

I've read that Russian demands at the peace talks were (1) recognition by Ukraine of Russia's annexation of Crimea, (2) "de-nazification" of Ukrainian government (by which I read, "regime change"), and (3) Ukrainian commitment to neutrality. He doesn't really need (1), (2) isn't something that any government would willing agree to under any circumstances, and he probably could have gotten (3) without an invasion outside of Crimea and the Donbass. Now that he's invaded, he will never get (1) or (3) unless he forces (2) at gunpoint, and there's little chance

All I can figure is, sometimes people in heavy echo chambers make big mistakes, and maybe that's what we're witnessing. It's a real tragedy that people have to die for such stupidity.
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sometimes in the late game of Civ you get kinda bored so you launch a war of adventure and then you quickly realize the AI has like...500 units for some reason and then they just counter attack your civ and wipe you out.
 
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Didn’t see this posted earlier but good to know
 
Though admittedly the US and NATO implementing a no fly zone would make for a great advertising tie-in for the upcoming Top Gun sequel
 
DeacMan said:
There are two types of nukes - strategic (long range) and tactical (short range and not always on alert). Russia's deterrent policy was changed a few years back to allow the offensive use of nuclear weapons. And no one has more tactical nukes than Russia. They have about 2000 warheads. That's 9-10x as many as the US. It's also why Belarus should just be put on all the same sanctions as Russia.
So I don't think it rings hollow for the reasons you've cited. I just think he has other options to create massive damage short of using tactical nukes.
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I guess that's fair. A pretty clear cut majority of reporting didn't make that distinction and I guess that's who I'm taking to task.
 
i don't think the UN has air superiority systems anyway. probably why it's always up to the US
 
 
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