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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

Hiring the right people and training and managing them well actually does prevent that stuff. People pull shit like that when management has not given them a reason to care about their job.
 
So you’re asking us to mention times a social institution did not work in order to confirm your opinion that the social institution doesn’t work and that social institution will not work at one Amazon warehouse.
 
LOL...Ok.

Can't possibly have anything to do with having the comfortable knowledge of knowing it's basically impossible to be fired based on your coworkers past experiences.

I'm clearly wrong.


I mean all those police unions are definitely doing good. Sticking up for the poor cop who tries to stop and frisk a young minority and then arrests them for assaulting a police office and resisting arrest all while their body cams happen to "malfunction".

Or when they no-knock a warrant and shoot and kill a guy sleeping on his couch.

All unions are great. Every union at every workplace always does the right thing in every situation with no possible rotten environments that are beyond repair.
 
If I was management and I wanted to exploit a workforce, I’d paint myself as a victim of lowly paid workers to gain sympathy in a society that hates poor and working class and sees economic struggle as a sign of personal failing.
 
Political Chat Thread - All Topics & Rants Welcome

So now you’re equating shitty killer cops with a woman who got her nails done. You may want to pause for a second and think about what you’re arguing for.
 
All unions are great. Every union at every workplace always does the right thing in every situation with no possible rotten environments that are beyond repair.

Why is the union responsible for the environment being rotten and management has no fault?
 
So you’re asking us to mention times a social institution did not work in order to confirm your opinion that the social institution doesn’t work and that social institution will not work at one Amazon warehouse.

I have already said that I agree with unions in theory. But I also gave a personal example of where it doesn't seem to work.

I was curious if others have ever experienced similar issues.

Maybe I wasn't clear. And again, maybe I was just venting (as the thread title welcomes) due to recent issues at my dad's work (the woman who was able to switch jobs and then get assistance every day for her new job, preventing someone else from completing their job in full, all because of her long fingernails really rubbed me the wrong way. She was terminated, but was just reinstated).


I'm obviously way out of my league and you guys have the right answers. Carry on.
 
Why is the union responsible for the environment being rotten and management has no fault?

Why can't the union, in and of itself, perpetuate situations that feed into a degrading cycle of workplace environment?

I have been speaking of issues where management has TRIED to clean up the dead weight, but can't.....because the union will not let the rotten employees be terminated.

I mean, we're talking at walls here.

I'll take the L here.
 
If you get super defensive and put up a wall anytime someone gives you the slightest pushback, then yeah you probably are just venting and not interested in discussion or changing your mind.
 
You’re telling these stories like you know the full story when you’re just spouting management talking points.

From what you’ve described, your dad is middle maybe upper middle management in a company that has walled him off from moving up in the company (which I’ve asked about and you’ve ignore for some reason). But they flatter him and get him to sympathize with him and do work he shouldn’t be doing in order to impress them. In the meantime, he’s against the workers and deals with them so the execs don’t have to bother.

And I’m probably going to get his race/class/gender background is more similar to the execs than workers which breeds more sympathy with the execs and contempt for workers.

Of course there are some inefficiencies with unions as with any institution, but you’re parroting stories told for the purpose of undermining basic rights and protections for workers.
 
So you are not upset about union's just upset that the one where your dad works is mismanaged. That's not an indictment of all unions. Just the one your dad works at. Is he management? Middle management? Is he a member of the union?
 
Why can't the union, in and of itself, perpetuate situations that feed into a degrading cycle of workplace environment?

I have been speaking of issues where management has TRIED to clean up the dead weight, but can't.....because the union will not let the rotten employees be terminated.

I mean, we're talking at walls here.

I'll take the L here.

All you’ve described is the management trying to fire people. You haven’t described management trying to manage them. And you also stated that the plant is closing in 18 months. That’s not on the workers. That’s a problem up the ladder.
 
The story of the nails has a lot of similarities to “welfare queen” stories that people blew up about in the 80s as a way to cut social services.
 
Interrupting the pile on to say how the fuck is the house passing decriminalization of marijuana not a bigger deal? Needs to be hammered that only three republicans voted yes as well.
 
You’re telling these stories like you know the full story when you’re just spouting management talking points.

From what you’ve described, your dad is middle maybe upper middle management in a company that has walled him off from moving up in the company (which I’ve asked about and you’ve ignore for some reason). But they flatter him and get him to sympathize with him and do work he shouldn’t be doing in order to impress them. In the meantime, he’s against the workers and deals with them so the execs don’t have to bother.

And I’m probably going to get his race/class/gender background is more similar to the execs than workers which breeds more sympathy with the execs and contempt for workers.

Of course there are some inefficiencies with unions as with any institution, but you’re parroting stories told for the purpose of undermining basic rights and protections for workers.

He has had every opportunity to move up, and they've basically begged him to. He doesn't want to deal with even more paperwork and scheduling and that kinda stuff than he already has to. They use Kronos for time-keeping and apparently it's been down for like a year or something so all time-coding is done by hand and then will have to be corrected retroactively and stuff like that.

He isn't "against the workers", he's "against" the time-wasting 'human brain farts' that I mentioned before who are not in any way respectable employees. (That can't be fired). He absolutely LOVES some of his team-members...the ones that work.

He would also give up his almost 30 years of seniority with things like vacation time, mandated weekend shifts, certain overtime benefits change etc... (which hey, maybe the union could fix!...probably be a little down the line with all the other things on their plate). I admit to not knowing all of the ins and outs of why he doesn't move up in the company. But he has his reasons.

The plant is surprisingly very race/class/gender diverse, for what you'd expect a truck-building plant to be.

ETA: The plant shutting down thing is just his estimate based on the way things are going currently.

They flatter him because he's the hardest worker any of them have ever met. He gets up at 4am, goes in an hour and a half early to make sure he's caught up before the team meeting at the beginning of the day. He stays late, he works when they need him. He worked 27 days straight late last year, and that's just one instance of that kind of thing. He is the embodiment of work ethic. He's not just workin for the 'atta boys' from his bosses. He works because he was taught it's the right thing to do. He just wants to do his job, get it done, and go home to his family. Whether he has to do 3 other peoples' jobs to get that done or not. He's one of those guys that will probably die 2 years out of retirement because he just doesn't know what to do with himself.

He's not this pencil pushing middle-management white guy who's just in the boys club making fun of all the feeble worker types just trying to eek out a living wage.



He's an honest, hard-working, outstanding employee who will do anything to get his job done to the best of his abilities.



But I'll just let you guys think what you want. He's out to keep the good folk from safely and healthily earning a living wage.
 
But that's it...I'm done.


I'll leave the rant thread for ranting too much and not immediately changing my opinion.
 
I've been actively fighting for a union with other Pitt graduate students for more than 3 and a half years - happy to address any specific questions but it looks like this convo went south
 
I've been actively fighting for a union with other Pitt graduate students for more than 3 and a half years - happy to address any specific questions but it looks like this convo went south

Have you considered that your union might make you lazy and a bad worker and make Pitt close down their grad programs.
 
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