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WFU Hoops: '22-'23 Roster Construction Thread: +Ituka/Carr/Appleby/Bradford

WFU Hoops: '22-'23 Roster Construction - Jake/Zay/Daivien???; -Whitt/Walton

He’s basically a 2022 recruit. He reclassified and redshirted for UCONN. He’s only 18.
 
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Corey Floyd sounds like that slashing, scoring 2 guard Wake could use.
 
It appears that Monsanto, Hildreth, McCray, Taylor and Marsh are returning. Forbes counts all five as ACC level players. Keller should qualify as well. From what I have seen of Monsanto, Hildreth, Marsh and McCray, they possess the ability to become productive starters. Many on this board wanted to see more of these players but Forbes had the benefit of five seniors on the roster and relied on their experience to win. He didn't need to force production from freshmen. They were able to learn in practice. They know his system and expectations. Their roles were limited by design. They may be better than expected and afford Forbes the opportunity and time to be selective.
 
Regardless of how good Forbes thinks the returners are, he's going to recruit at least 4 or 5 more guys from HS or the portal and I'm sure he prefers they're better than the guys he has.
 
Forbes plays chess. Got more contacts than every ACC coach combined. Just relax. He is good at the dumb ole country boy from Iowa.
 
WF hoops is certainly in a better place than we have been in 13 years—as Pilchard points out correctly (though he said 15)

Agreeing with that reality also doesn’t change the reality that we remain completely irrelevant. There are no efforts to build the proper stadium or start a NLI fund.

The only thing we have going for us is a likeable fella who won at East Tennessee State. Hopefully he will win here at some point. But we the alums sure dealt him an awful hand to play. And even worse we are doing nothing to help the next fella.
 
So you’re not a fan of Top Hate Collective?
 
donaldross said:
WF hoops is certainly in a better place than we have been in 13 years—as Pilchard points out correctly (though he said 15)

Agreeing with that reality also doesn’t change the reality that we remain completely irrelevant. There are no efforts to build the proper stadium or start a NLI fund.

The only thing we have going for us is a likeable fella who won at East Tennessee State. Hopefully he will win here at some point. But we the alums sure dealt him an awful hand to play. And even worse we are doing nothing to help the next fella.
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The only thing? We were irrelevant in football for 75 years. The investment in football properly came before basketball. The on campus basketball facilities are peer equal. Yes we need a new arena. I find it hard to believe Curry is ignoring NIL. Doesn't make any sense. Steve Forbes career win percentage is remarkable, regardless of where he coached. The entire recruiting system has been turned upside down. I get the feeling he is as on top of it as any other coach I've listened to. It's going to drive a lot of coaches out of the business because they can't or won't adapt. Guys like Dabo at Clemson who refuse to accept reality. I also believe college basketball is a shitty product that doesn't prepare young men for the pro game. They are better off in the G League if they have the tools.
 
macktheknife said:
The only thing? We were irrelevant in football for 75 years. The investment in football properly came before basketball. The on campus basketball facilities are peer equal. Yes we need a new arena. I find it hard to believe Curry is ignoring NIL. Doesn't make any sense. Steve Forbes career win percentage is remarkable, regardless of where he coached. The entire recruiting system has been turned upside down. I get the feeling he is as on top of it as any other coach I've listened to. It's going to drive a lot of coaches out of the business because they can't or won't adapt. Guys like Dabo at Clemson who refuse to accept reality. I also believe college basketball is a shitty product that doesn't prepare young men for the pro game. They are better off in the G League if they have the tools.
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College basketball doesn't matter and/or it matters way less than football. Your opinion is clearly shared by an overwhelming majority of Wake Forest alums. The disasterous results of the last 30 years were and remain for the next 30 inevitable.

We have 0 chance of competing on the national playoff stage in football. Only basketball. Yet we have place all our chips in the football coffers.

I feel sorry for Steve Forbes. He is doing all 1 man can do for Wake Forest hoops. It's clear he will try any and everything to win or die trying. The folks who won't do any and everything for the men's basketball team to win are our alums.
 
donaldross said:
WF hoops is certainly in a better place than we have been in 13 years—as Pilchard points out correctly (though he said 15)

Agreeing with that reality also doesn’t change the reality that we remain completely irrelevant. There are no efforts to build the proper stadium or start a NLI fund.

The only thing we have going for us is a likeable fella who won at East Tennessee State. Hopefully he will win here at some point. But we the alums sure dealt him an awful hand to play. And even worse we are doing nothing to help the next fella.
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A NLI fund literally just launched. https://tophatcollective.com/
 
macktheknife said:
The only thing? We were irrelevant in football for 75 years. The investment in football properly came before basketball. The on campus basketball facilities are peer equal. Yes we need a new arena. I find it hard to believe Curry is ignoring NIL. Doesn't make any sense. Steve Forbes career win percentage is remarkable, regardless of where he coached. The entire recruiting system has been turned upside down. I get the feeling he is as on top of it as any other coach I've listened to. It's going to drive a lot of coaches out of the business because they can't or won't adapt. Guys like Dabo at Clemson who refuse to accept reality. I also believe college basketball is a shitty product that doesn't prepare young men for the pro game. They are better off in the G League if they have the tools.
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Schools (aka Curry) are not allowed to start or be involved with a NLI fund per the interview with the guy who started the Top Hat Collective.
 
Not sure which thread is the best place to park this, but I've been on the road a lot the last few weeks, and a repeat theme on the various radio sports talk shows is the inevitability of a 40-50 team "super conference" for football. And to a man (or woman) they say that if your program doesn't bring the t.v. eyeballs nationally and/or generate major booster funding you'll be on the outside looking in. Finebaum, who is not a fan of this but also sees it as inevitable, thinks that NIL $$ will very quickly split the haves from the have-nots. He used recent NCAA BB champ Kansas as well as "great institutions who've had some level of success such as Northwestern" as examples of schools that won't be invited to the party, or to their credit will say enough is enough and opt out of the insanity that is sure to come if there are no guardrails to keep this from becoming a pure money play.
Another theme from these conversations is how a super football league would affect basketball and all the "minor" sports, and the question of outside of 3 weeks in April does anyone care.
 
That’s the SEC fever dream. But how does ESPN benefit from that?
 
DownEastDeac said:
Not sure which thread is the best place to park this, but I've been on the road a lot the last few weeks, and a repeat theme on the various radio sports talk shows is the inevitability of a 40-50 team "super conference" for football. And to a man (or woman) they say that if your program doesn't bring the t.v. eyeballs nationally and/or generate major booster funding you'll be on the outside looking in. Finebaum, who is not a fan of this but also sees it as inevitable, thinks that NIL $$ will very quickly split the haves from the have-nots. He used recent NCAA BB champ Kansas as well as "great institutions who've had some level of success such as Northwestern" as examples of schools that won't be invited to the party, or to their credit will say enough is enough and opt out of the insanity that is sure to come if there are no guardrails to keep this from becoming a pure money play.
Another theme from these conversations is how a super football league would affect basketball and all the "minor" sports, and the question of outside of 3 weeks in April does anyone care.
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I know that money rules all, but college football is mainly a REGIONAL sport where all but a few select programs even consider a national championship as a legitimate goal. It is incredibly different from college basketball.

Think about all of the passionate fanbases who have absolutely no expectations of ever competing for a national championship. They care because beating their regional rivals is the entire point. I don't care if Wake goes 3-6 to start the year, I will care about beating UNC/State/Duke. If there is a super conference and Wake is not invited, I hope they create a national conference of private schools / high academic public schools and we continue to play UNC and State.
 
Been hearing about this impending singular mega-conference since the Bowl Coalition was formed thirty years ago.
 
The backlash against a 40-50 team super league would be swift and strong. That number doesn’t cut very cleanly. Does that include the entire SEC, Big Ten, and break up the other conferences? Do Vandy, Mizzou, Purdue, and Northwestern get left out in favor of occasionally ranked big schools like UNC, Arizona State, and UCF?

You don’t get there without breaking up traditional rivalries, pissing off a lot of people, and breaking up conferences to the point that ends ESPN’s stranglehold on the sport. They have the full rights or partial rights to almost every team. Would they give that up to cut their programming and maybe increase their revenue?

I think we stay with the de facto “super league” of 8-10 contenders and a few other teams that make nice stories (like Cincy and Wake last year) and a bunch of fodder.
 
I hate that our no news is terrible news roster construction thread has devolved into yet another conference realignment discussion.

But hey... here is some real (bad) news Bacot is coming back to UNC next year. Nice call by many here who said they felt it was likely.
 
Was going through last year's thread this morning...

Last year at this time, there was a flurry of activity with us missing out on Carlton (from UConn to Houston) and McCoy (UVA to UNC)... But then landing Walton (out of nowhere) and Monsanto. But then there was like 2-3 weeks of no news and lots of players heading elsewhere.

Point being that different years just have different timelines.

We could hear of something this week seemingly out of the blue, or maybe it's two weeks from now. Trying to remain patient even though I'd like to see us land at least one player ASAP.
 
DeacsATS said:
Was going through last year's thread this morning...

Last year at this time, there was a flurry of activity with us missing out on Carlton (from UConn to Houston) and McCoy (UVA to UNC)... But then landing Walton (out of nowhere) and Monsanto. But then there was like 2-3 weeks of no news and lots of players heading elsewhere.

Point being that different years just have different timelines.

We could hear of something this week seemingly out of the blue, or maybe it's two weeks from now. Trying to remain patient even though I'd like to see us land at least one player ASAP.
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we wanted McKoy, right? good thing we didn't get him - he regressed a fair amount.
 
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