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TownieDeac said:
Why watch Sicario or Blade Runner 2049 or Arrival when you could be watching Ant Man or Iron Man 4 ????
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there are many other movies out there Townie

some with muted palates, some with lush palates

but that are also good and tell stories that don’t suck
 
MCU superfans talking about any other movie

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My biggest gripe about Dune was that it seemed like the only reason the script had Zendaya in the movie was to have Zendaya in the movie.
 
i dont even really care about not liking dune, but the specific criticisms that it looked like crap are hilariously wrong. especially when comparing the visuals to any MCU film
 
dartsndeacs said:
My biggest gripe about Dune was that it seemed like the only reason the script had Zendaya in the movie was to have Zendaya in the movie.
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Token mysterious exotic native woman for the powerful white man to fuck.

By the way, I looked at the Wikipedia summary and it called the desert planet “inhospitable” even though the film clearly establishes that people live there.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
i dont even really care about not liking dune, but the specific criticisms that it looked like crap are hilariously wrong. especially when comparing the visuals to any MCU film
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Who is comparing besides y’all Duneheads
 
PhDeac said:
By the way, I looked at the Wikipedia summary and it called the desert planet “inhospitable” even though the film clearly establishes that people live there.
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"Inhospitable" doesn't mean that nobody can live there
 
Zendaya’s character will play a big part in the second movie, and the planet is very inhospitable, requiring serious adaptation to live there.

The story is very difficult to capture on film owing to the complex plot. Telling it without boring the shit out of your audience requires a lot. I reckon it isn’t for everyone even if they do get a lot of the design right. I’d take criticism of it seriously that isn’t about color when it takes place in a desert, or that you didn’t know it was part one of two when that’s in the title card and was part of the run up to the movie’s release.
 
not enough quips and recognizable characters in Dune

C-
 
TownieDeac said:
Zendaya’s character will play a big part in the second movie, and the planet is very inhospitable, requiring serious adaptation to live there.

The story is very difficult to capture on film owing to the complex plot. Telling it without boring the shit out of your audience requires a lot. I reckon it isn’t for everyone even if they do get a lot of the design right. I’d take criticism of it seriously that isn’t about color when it takes place in a desert, or that you didn’t know it was part one of two when that’s in the title card and was part of the run up to the movie’s release.
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The meta-point is that y’all sound as bad as an MCU superfan when defending your slice of sci-fi nerdom.

Dune just slaps less hard in an era where a lot of cultural touchstones already ripped it off.

Also, it’s def possible to make a desert movie that doesn’t look like shit. Lots of great looking desert flicks. Mad max fury road comes to mind.
 
I mean, the movie was nominated for Oscars for Best Cinematography, Best Production Design, and Best Visual Effects, but, yeah, Strick says it looks "like shit".

I really liked Dune (and everything Villeneuve has done), and I really like most Marvel movies. It's ok to like both. I generally prefer the more cartoony, comic booky, humorous Marvel movies like Raganarok, the GotG movies, the Spiderman movies, because that's what I'm looking for in a comic book movie and don't like the mostly serious, dour way DC movies have been handled lately (with the exception of Gunn's Suicide Squad).
 
Strickland33 said:
The meta-point is that y’all sound as bad as an MCU superfan when defending your slice of sci-fi nerdom.

Dune just slaps less hard in an era where a lot of cultural touchstones already ripped it off.
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I had unreasonably high expectations for capturing Dune on video this go-round; it is one of my favorite sci-fi stories. I really enjoyed it, thought it had enough fan service and canon for the die hards and enough plot and character for a global blockbuster to go around. Tough to also have to work in magic/witchcraft/mind control/colonialism/drugs/spacetime but I thought it all landed.

I personally think the Villeneuve-Vermette director/production designer team is an ideal fit for a desert/alien planet story line (think Arrival or Sicario for other examples of this success). Also, much of the film was shot on location in Jordan, Abu Dhabi, Norway, Canada, etc. and not on green screen, which accounts somewhat for the color story (the brutalist architecture is from the book too, needed to withstand 500 mph wind, desert, sandworms, etc.). Reading about the production design is pretty amazing. They constructed a planet's worth of sets, they actually built the ornithopters you saw them flying around in.

I don't anticipate Ph caring much beyond his initial read, and clearly he's entitled to it, but here's a decent blog post the white savior story question (and an interview with Villeneuve): https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/09/03/is-dune-truly-a-white-savior-story/

However, the truth of the matter has always been that Dune is a controversial story when viewed through the eyes of people of color. Though the surface level interpretation of the story falling into the “White-Savior” trope has been disputed as being (as Villeneuve puts it) actually a critique on the idea of messianic figures trying to dominate their subjects, many still go back and forth around the idea that author Frank Herbert may be wanting to have his cake and eat it too by making his White protagonist be a complex and sympathetic character at the end of it all. That being said, based on his responses, Villeneuve is firmly on the side of the story being a criticism or condemnation on individuals who deem themselves the saviors of indigenous individuals, so I have to believe that’s where he is going with his interpretation of the story, as opposed to what David Lynch’s 1984 adaptation did.

Thus, for all the spectacle and cinematic accomplishments the Dune saga has to offer, at the end of the day, the most exciting thing about the future of this franchise will be seeing whether or not a director as talented and intelligent as Villeneuve can pull off an adaptation of the novel that truly lives up to the critical interpretation he’s committed to showcasing in his vision. Will he be able to pull it off? Perhaps for now, only the Bene Gesserit can know for sure.
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Dune reminded me a little bit of Fury Road but I just didn't think it was nearly as successful as a film. Fury Road had the advantage of being a complete story I guess, both looked and sounded incredible imho, and both have really cool worlds with tons of lore and background. But where Fury Road managed to limit overwrought explanations and make up for it with great character development, Dune felt more like a series of checkboxed events in a list that for some reason just didn't resonate that well. Characters would die and it felt like they'd hardly made an impact. It was one of those long movies that felt too short because the pacing just felt off from start to finish. It also felt incredibly even-keeled the whole way through, no real highs or lows or surprises - like a series of predetermined events were just happening to everyone. I still enjoyed it as a cool sci fi movie with a terrific world around it, but whereas Fury Road started up like it might be a hollow action film and instead proved to be full of depth, Dune was kinda soulless.

On a side note, I'm not a Dune fanboy but knew it was just half the story, not sure how anyone could have missed that in the lead up to the film despite there being questions of whether part 2 would get funded during COVID times.
 
I still think Fury Road is the best action movie ever made, so hard for anything to live up to that.
 
Yea, apart from the settings, not much to compare in those movies. I fucking love Fury Road though. Action from the opening shot through to curtains. Rewatchable too.
 
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