The religious right's hypocrisy now on full display

[PhDeac]

Not voting sure as hell isn’t the answer. So while doing whatever else you’re doing that’s going to solve problems independent of multiple layers of government, you may as well vote too.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

so you don't think that the right presenting a unified message about the Dems being terrible isn't more effective then the left and far left constantly tearing each other apart? I disagree.

I think you are understandably jealous of the Rights solidarity, but you have no clue how to replicate it so you just impotently rage online at leftists who criticize the Democratic Party, even though 95% of us already vote Democrat. Poor people and young people don’t vote, you are just unfortunately a member of the party that supposedly represents young people and poor people.

 

[ChrisL68]

I think you are understandably jealous of the Rights solidarity, but you have no clue how to replicate it so you just impotently rage online at leftists who criticize the Democratic Party, even though 95% of us already vote Democrat. Poor people and young people don’t vote, you are just unfortunately a member of the party that supposedly represents young people and poor people.

I think the right wing is winning the information war in this country and it frustrates the hell out of me.

 

[wakegrrl]

For the millionth time, we absolutely *do not* have to join forces or whatever the fuck. Voting is not the solution to any of these problems, and even if it were, progressives and liberals already vote together. We aren’t singing kumbaya together online, stop pretending that it’s important for us to get along.

"We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

We don't have to get along. We do, however, have to vote and vote together. And lose the concept of not voting because you don't like every single thing about the candidate with the (D) behind their name.

I'm with Ph on this one. You cishet white guys give me a headache.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

"We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

We don't have to get along. We do, however, have to vote and vote together. And lose the concept of not voting because you don't like every single thing about the candidate with the (D) behind their name.

I'm with Ph on this one. You cishet white guys give me a headache.

There are obviously a lot more things dividing this country than the color of our skin, considering there are a considerable amount of “cishet white guys” in both parties.

 

[PhDeac]

There are obviously a lot more things dividing this country than the color of our skin, considering there are a considerable amount of “cishet white guys” in both parties.

The majority of every other group besides cishet white guys are Democrats. That and cishet white guy’s relative security and desire for conflict makes it hard to get cishet white guys on the left in solidarity with everyone else against the cishet white guys on the right.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

The majority of every other group besides cishet white guys are Democrats. That and cishet white guy’s relative security and desire for conflict makes it hard to get cishet white guys on the left in solidarity with everyone else against the cishet white guys on the right.

It sounds to me like a shortsighted political organization that’s abandoned class analysis. Good luck with your political priorities.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

As I said, people who have no answer for matching the solidarity of the right, so you just rage online at people who already vote with you because the easiest thing you can do is whine about being criticized. lol complaining that argumentative cishet white guys are holding you back? What are we holding you back from? Tweeting at Susan Sarandon?

 

[PhDeac]

It sounds to me like a shortsighted political organization that’s abandoned class analysis. Good luck with your political priorities.

How so?

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

How so?

By dismissing every political disagreement that’s not based on ethnicity or identity. You can’t expect solidarity from someone if you are if you flatten all their political priorities as unimportant.

 

[PhDeac]

Your privilege is showing. "Class analysis" is less salient for groups who are heavily marginalized due to class as well as other factors. By making the case the "class analysis" is somehow divorced from ethnicity or identity, you're engaging in the common "working class" = white fallacy that prioritizes white issues over everyone else's. That whole argument is used to launder racism as "economic anxiety." Much of your argument over the years is that there are all these poor white people just waiting for Democrats to appeal to them, but we've seen them move toward Republicans as they've moved white nationalist/Christian nationalism ideology mainstream and of course, as the Democratic party has become more diverse.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

You repeatedly and proudly out yourself as as an ignorant and hateful classist, convenient for you, we’re in comfortable chat group full of fellow rich moderate liberal Wake alums. You can demand rhetorical solidarity to your flavor of liberalism, but you sure as fuck do. not. deserve it.

 

[wakegrrl]

It sounds to me like a shortsighted political organization that’s abandoned class analysis. Good luck with your political priorities.

How about listening to the people in the room who are not the prototypical cishet white guys? Y'all are the only ones having this existential argument about political philosophies while Rome is fucking burning over here.

 

[Biff Tannen]

Y'all really have the Religious Right Republicans shaking in their boots.

 

[PhDeac]

You repeatedly and proudly out yourself as as an ignorant and hateful classist, convenient for you, we’re in comfortable chat group full of fellow rich moderate liberal Wake alums. You can demand rhetorical solidarity to your flavor of liberalism, but you sure as fuck do. not. deserve it.

If you're calling me a "classist" for being critical of poor white people and not any other group of poor people, you're only saying "classist" because you know it's ridiculous to call me "racist." All of this is just verifying what I said before. You equate "class" with white without looking at how class is part of race, ethnicity, and other factors that tie into identity.

But I apologize if you’re trying to have an earnest conversation about class dynamics of lesbians.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

If you're calling me a "classist" for being critical of poor white people and not any other group of poor people, you're only saying "classist" because you know it's ridiculous to call me "racist."

Someone in your field should know the difference between the terms. You’re definitely not racist - it’s very clear you love wealthy educated whites, why else would you spend so much time with them?

 

[PhDeac]

I know the difference. I also know that you're calling me classist even though I'm talking about race.

 

[mako1331]

Someone in your field should know the difference between the terms. You’re definitely not racist - it’s very clear you love wealthy educated whites, why else would you spend so much time with them?

Idk, he came down to eat dinner with me and the fam, and we’re upper lower middle class at best.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

Someone in your field should know the difference between the terms. You’re definitely not racist - it’s very clear you love wealthy educated whites, why else would you spend so much time with them?

This post is pretty fucked up

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

This post is pretty fucked up

What’s fucked up is telling me that political differences between “cishet whites” are privileged and unimportant is “pretty fucked up” but this board of Wake alums is dead silent. Absolutely supports what I said about him being comfortable here among you good educated whites.