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Roll The Quad - Wake Forest NIL with noteworthy support

Without regulated agents representing the players, there's going to be some serious fraud going on and players getting promised big $, transferring or signing and then having no recourse when the $ doesn't arrive.
 
I have no problem with it if they did it honestly. Also, there already have been some egregious occurrences. Miami had a booster openly tweet a cash offer to a basketball player still enrolled at Kansas State, who then transferred there and took the money. Seeing this, Isaiah Wong, already on the Miami roster, told the booster that if he didn't match that money he would leave, so the booster (Ruiz I believe is the booster's name) matched it and paid Wong too. Miami and Florida also had a very open bidding war for a high school QB recruit where they both publicly offered him over $10 million.
I def get that this is happening, but everyone expects it from schools like Miami so it's not really upsetting the apple cart. What I'm saying is that if objectively elite players start transfering from [insert blue blood] to FAU then there will be a push for the NCAA to try to regulate it.
 
Without regulated agents representing the players, there's going to be some serious fraud going on and players getting promised big $, transferring or signing and then having no recourse when the $ doesn't arrive.
Yea that's an important point. I really don't think any of this benefits the majority of college athletes which should matter at least a little bit. My guess would be the status quo changes by the end of the decade, it is just too be determined in what direction and what/who drives the change. Either way, I applaud Wake for saying we won't let ourselves be screwed over by the rule bending of others. We can play that game too and will play it better than most.
 
I def get that this is happening, but everyone expects it from schools like Miami so it's not really upsetting the apple cart. What I'm saying is that if objectively elite players start transfering from [insert blue blood] to FAU then there will be a push for the NCAA to try to regulate it.
It will be interesting to see how often that happens if at all. I know SMU had a superrich booster declare he'll buy them a national championship or something crazy like that, but I would expect the big football schools to keep doing big football school stuff as has been the case for 50 years. Basketball is the sport being principally affected here and unfortunately nobody really cares about basketball because they money is in football. Don't think Creighton paying $1M for the top mid major transfer as happened this year will tip anyone's apple cart when college basketball is the furthest thing from these big schools' minds.
 
I assume these NIL collectives are tax scams
Definitely think something NIL-related will be on American Greed in the next two years.

To clarify tho, nothing makes me think it it will be RTQ.
 
Pay for play has always existed. The only difference now is transparency and it's easier to get involved as a random donor. Less middlemen is probably a good thing.

The prices are going to be wild right now because the market hasn't been set. Let's see what happens after some donors get awful ROI for a few seasons.

Most players aren't worth much on an open market. There is not going to be a market for blocking TEs, let alone field hockey players. It's really a small group of transfer players and top recruits each season in football and basketball. We may see some funny examples of a donor that falls in love with a smaller sport. You could probably buy a women's volleyball championship, for example.

Agree that big programs will sic the NCAA on smaller programs if they start to poach too much talent. Look what happened to SMU.
 
I think the human side of this is going to be equally, if not more, difficult to manage. Let's just use Wake as the example. Suppose NIL ponies up $1 million for Sam to return next year but our WRs get nothing or maybe a few grand. Just how motivated are those WRs going to be to make the million dollar man look good? It's just human nature to say "wait, I'm busting my ass and risking my health going over the middle for this guy to look good and he is a millionaire?" And how does a coach keep the morale in the locker room? Yes, in the NFL some players make much more than others but that's professional football and ALL of them are very well compensated.

Going to be interesting on many levels.
 
A Broncos DL cussed out R Wilson last Sunday. $250 million man. It’s going to happen more in the college game.
 
Pay for play has always existed. The only difference now is transparency and it's easier to get involved as a random donor. Less middlemen is probably a good thing.

The prices are going to be wild right now because the market hasn't been set. Let's see what happens after some donors get awful ROI for a few seasons.

Most players aren't worth much on an open market. There is not going to be a market for blocking TEs, let alone field hockey players. It's really a small group of transfer players and top recruits each season in football and basketball. We may see some funny examples of a donor that falls in love with a smaller sport. You could probably buy a women's volleyball championship, for example.

Agree that big programs will sic the NCAA on smaller programs if they start to poach too much talent. Look what happened to SMU.
someone should develop a NIL matrix of all NCAA players by sport by position with NIL amounts and then you can start to interpolate all players across the board based on stats and have the intel to see who is "underpaid" and target those players at other schools that are not paid based on their performance of peers and you have a moneyball type matrix where you can start to strategize on how to spend your $s on your current players in a disciplined manner as well as well as when you might just need to separate ways when some player's demands are not in line with other peers especially unproven commodities coming out of HS. More premium given to college performance in lesser conferences/divisions although your analytics could also weight those based on historical standards.

Crazy it is coming to this....
 
Let me get this straight, Wake's been paying players for years and we're still DFL in all-time win percentage? Mmmkay.
 
Let me get this straight, Wake's been paying players for years and we're still DFL in all-time win percentage? Mmmkay.
Everybody does it in football it's universal and I wouldn't assume it has too significant of an impact historically in that sport for a variety of reasons. Not sure how far back it goes at Wake but if you think AT Perry turned down the $1million offer from USC to transfer there because he likes Fratelli's you're kidding yourself. Somebody made it worth his while. Again, not saying it's wrong just that it's happening.
 
Are you saying that AT Perry accepted illegal payments to stay and play at Wake? Big if true.
 
Are you saying that AT Perry accepted illegal payments to stay and play at Wake? Big if true.

If I remember correctly, Perry was the first one to do a signing event as part of a NIL deal.
 
Are you saying that AT Perry accepted illegal payments to stay and play at Wake? Big if true.
I didn't say that word for word, I'm saying follow the logic and make your own conclusion. It's unimportant and should come to the shock of absolutely nobody that actually follows or has involvement in college sports that this type of stuff goes on, but I suppose he certainly could have said no for any number of reasons.

Regardless I'd like the emphasis to be on my general point that NIL is dishonest, but the main impact is in basketball, not football, because A the NCAA has turned a bit of a blind eye to bribery and payments in football for a decade or two, B football requires 3 years between high school and the draft and development is king, and C the sports are just different. In pre-NIL basketball, it was just a handful (Arizona, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse) that were playing dirty, and with talent translating so much more quickly and predictably from high school to college, the playing field has been shifted far more in basketball than in football by the lack of NIL enforcement.
 
IIRC, Roll the Quad has stated a goal of ensuring that NIL money gets distributed to all athletes on scholarship. An effort to avoid big money to a few and zero money to the many.
 
IIRC, Roll the Quad has stated a goal of ensuring that NIL money gets distributed to all athletes on scholarship. An effort to avoid big money to a few and zero money to the many.
Well that ain't good. Big money should be targeted to a select few football & basketball players with a standard baseline income for the rest of the football and basketball players. Being equitable is not how you play the NIL game.
 
There's still some level of a facade to NIL payments at this point, so my guess is that the NCAA will only try to regulate it once a seriously egregious transfer goes down. I don't think we've seen anything this in your face yet, but I'm thinking of like a Caleb Williams of C.J. Stroud-level player at a blue blood getting a fat offer from some shitty program like Rutgers. No coaching change to mask it, no blue blood to blue blood transfer, no committing to a weird school out of HS so you can say they won the recruiting battle. Just a straight up Heisman contender ditching a blue blood to go get paid at Rice or something.

Personally I have no problem with it. Pay em.
The Biletnikoff Award winner, Jordan Addison, left Pitt for USC last year.
 
The Biletnikoff Award winner, Jordan Addison, left Pitt for USC last year.
Yeah but that's an upgrade for him. Went from a Pitt team losing an NFL quality QB to a playoff contender, so it can be masqueraded behind that. I'm thinking of something like a hypothetical player who wins the Biletnikoff this year on a playoff team and takes a bag to go to Colorado.
 
Without regulated agents representing the players, there's going to be some serious fraud going on and players getting promised big $, transferring or signing and then having no recourse when the $ doesn't arrive.

There's also going to be a bunch of players who fuck up their taxes concerning the NIL money.
 
It seems to me, and I've voiced this to these folks as well, that we need to specialize. By that I mean we really need a men's basketball only NIL fund.

Title IX forced us to spread the wealth as a University. I get it, that's the law. Those rules don't apply here.

It's not the law with these funds. We don't have the money collectively to support all sports. The structure of this fund is just that: everyone work together, gather folks from all sports, support all sports. The strategy seems very Wake Forest. And I fear it won't work.

I just don't see how we compete that way. Get a Bob McCreary football collective and a Mit Shah basketball collective and folks can then direct money exactly where they want instead of giving up control and having your money go to women's soccer. It would be great if we could support all sports. But we don't have enough to do that and compete at the highest level of men's basketball.
 
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