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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

ImTheCaptain said:
twitter investors want him out and this is a dumb 'face saving' way to 'leave'
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I think it's all part of a deliberate play to declare bankruptcy and renegotiate terms with creditors to get twitter for the price it's really worth.
 
Possible. And/or it’s just more “look at me” nonsense to drive traffic.
 
Liquid Karma said:
Which was obvious when Sinema made her move even though people acted like it was a nothingburger. Sinema and Manchin will continue to wield a tremendous amount of power as a voting bloc for the next 2 years.
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The Democratic Party will always have a bloc of conservative representatives who control the party. That’s the cost of courting swing voters. It’s Sinema and Manchin today, it will be someone else tomorrow. Pretending as if we are just going to out vote this problem is fucking dumb.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
The Democratic Party will always have a bloc of conservative representatives who control the party. That’s the cost of courting swing voters. It’s Sinema and Manchin today, it will be someone else tomorrow. Pretending as if we are just going to out vote this problem is fucking dumb.
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I mean if democrats could get any kind of majority in the senate it would completely nullify dems like Manchin.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
I mean if democrats could get any kind of majority in the senate it would completely nullify dems like Manchin.
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That is naive propagandizing IMO - if the Democratic’s majority were to grow, the conservative bloc of the party would just shift to the right accordingly so that the idealogical balance would remain the same. It’s erroneous to speak about these politicians as if they are all independent decision makers. They serve think tanks, corporate lobbyists, and super PACs , and they aren’t going to upset the moderate policy equilibrium, they will continue to keep publicly calling for progress while privately taking checks to drag their feet.
 
I can understand where this pessimism comes from. The conservative bloc of the caucus is a wealthy WV coal guy and a quirky bisexual former Green Party member.
 
PhDeac said:
I can understand where this pessimism comes from. The conservative bloc of the caucus is a wealthy WV coal guy and a quirky bisexual former Green Party member.
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Going to assume you meant “can’t”.

Presumably your memory extends further back than 2018 and you can acknowledge all the Democratic administrations between Biden and Franklin Roosevelt. Empty Democratic progressive posturing is akin to the guy who demands to be “held back” in a fight, when he definitely, absolutely does not need to be held back from a fight. There is an infinite amount of excuses and a never-ending supply of scapegoats preventing us from ever passing progressive policy, when the real reason is that the Democratic Party apparatus doesn’t really believe that their voting base wants major change, and the party is afraid of how voters would react if major change every occurred. We saw what happened when the dog caught the car RE: Roe v Wade. The only real thing that Democratic voters desperately want is for white people to stop being personally racist, but you can’t make that happen with legislation, so instead we just punt the political football back and forth.
 
I love that you assumed I disagree with you and drafted a rebuttal much longer than the initial post . I’m not even sure how “can’t” makes sense there.

It’s a sensible argument based on history and the reality that a stubborn conservative Democrat has more power than a get along liberal. My hope is that Sinema is so toxic that it discourages the next possible obstructionist from doing it. I also hope Fetterman can be a common sense progressive who stands out.
 
PhDeac said:
I love that you assumed I disagree with you and drafted a rebuttal much longer than the initial post .
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That’s fine. If you weren’t trying to argue with me then I don’t understand your describing Manchin and Sinema. I don’t really consider that important, they are serving a broader purpose and taking the heat as scapegoats for it.

I get that liberals love to make this presumption that America has become so progressive in the past 10-20 years, but where do we get that assumption from? Media and corporate HR culture. That’s not politics. It’s not structural. Representation is great, but you can’t eat hopes and dreams for dinner, you can’t pay your bills with gay kissing scenes on network televisions, Black Lives Matter on a McDonalds fry box is not going to stop a Chicago cop from murdering LaQuan McDonald and covering it up. Democrats want to take credit for the social liberalization of media and culture so that no one will focus on their complete fucking failure to advance our country politically and structurally.

The Democratic Party is not going to ever defeat Joe Manchin, because they are Joe Manchin. Corporate obstructionists excusing away their unpopular beliefs with the facade of pragmatism and moderation.
 
What is the backbone of every liberal city , every educated Black urban oasis? A punitive authoritarian racist justice system, neglected underfunded infrastructure, extreme socioeconomic stratification, and a tattered economic “safety net” that criminalizes poverty, mental illness, and drug addiction. That’s not Joe Manchin’s fault, and it’s not Krysten Sinemas fault. American liberalism is an empty promise.
 
Why would I have described them if I was disagreeing with you?

My point was simple. I thought you were making the same point. There’s are positions for centrist obstructionist to be filled and that “need” is so strong that two people with extremely different political backgrounds fill it.

Liberals have clearly become more progressive. Pick an issue. A Dem can’t get elected for the first time if they’re against gay marriage or abortion. $15 minimum wage is standard. Bernie didn’t even want to ditch the filibuster a few years ago. Now it’s a core Dem belief. Manchin is to the left of 2008 Obama on several issues.
 
Progressives will have a chance once they decide we'd be better off executing people for selling fentanyl. Go hard right on the conservatives on like 2 issues, topsy turvy the motherfucker. Then you'll get all the rest of your hippy shit.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
What is the backbone of every liberal city , every educated Black urban oasis? A punitive authoritarian racist justice system, neglected underfunded infrastructure, extreme socioeconomic stratification, and a tattered economic “safety net” that criminalizes poverty, mental illness, and drug addiction. That’s not Joe Manchin’s fault, and it’s not Krysten Sinemas fault. American liberalism is an empty promise.
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Because that’s all they know. Hard truth but it’s the truth. It’s hard to get people to look at society completely differently and consider completely new solutions.

Look at any discussion of sports when people suggest making dramatic changes to the rules. They freak out. Some of it is uncertainty. Some of it is lack of imagination. But it boils down to that’s all they know.
 
PhDeac said:
Why would I have described them if I was disagreeing with you?

My point was simple. I thought you were making the same point. There’s are positions for centrist obstructionist to be filled and that “need” is so strong that two people with extremely different political backgrounds fill it.

Liberals have clearly become more progressive. Pick an issue. A Dem can’t get elected for the first time if they’re against gay marriage or abortion. $15 minimum wage is standard. Bernie didn’t even want to ditch the filibuster a few years ago. Now it’s a core Dem belief. Manchin is to the left of 2008 Obama on several issues.
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In the case of Manchin I think he is tacking centrist largely because it gives him leverage against the majority of the party that wants to end coal mining in his state.
 
Yeah. Manchin has an ideology and acts in the interest of a dominant industry in his state (whether or not you agree that serving coal serves the people of WV). Sinema does not have an ideology and the people of her state hate her.

Strange bedfellows. That’s my point. There probably won’t be another Manchin after he’s done. Anybody could be the next Sinema.
 
dartsndeacs said:
Progressives will have a chance once they decide we'd be better off executing people for selling fentanyl. Go hard right on the conservatives on like 2 issues, topsy turvy the motherfucker. Then you'll get all the rest of your hippy shit.
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Hard to argue that anyone is going to miss their local fentanyl dealer.

Might as well firebomb the fentanlyl labs in Mexico while we're at it. But lets wait till after our planned spring break trip next year.
 
deactherunner said:
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Man, what a smart move by Musk to hold the vote first (and lose in a landslide), and then publicly realize he can restrict the eligible voters down to a smaller group more likely to favor him and announce that's what he is going to do. He's behaving more like Republicans all the time, although his business acumen seems to be dwindling every day he owns Twitter.
 
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