NFL Year 2022. Superbowl Winner: Kansas City Chiefs!

[DeaconSig]

I'm sure its all over the internet, but I could watch the clip of Zeke getting absolutely steamrolled on that last play on repeat all day long. That is the funniest thing I have seen in sports in years.

I had minimal pain about the Giants getting their ass kicked Saturday because they are about 3 years ahead of schedule and I had no expectation they would make it that far. But the glee from watching the complete ineptitude of Dak, Zeke, Moore, and the entire Dallas franchise on that final play will last for a while. How bout em? How bout em?

If you think Dak is inept, wait til you get mutliple more years of Daniel Jones.

 

[DeacdeTejas]

@deacvision7 multiple people today have commented on Gallup quitting on routes, so I think your interception percentage theory might be correct

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

If you think Dak is inept, wait til you get mutliple more years of Daniel Jones.

Not really, because everyone knows who Daniel Jones is and he isn't going to get overpaid. Teams can win with mediocre QBs when they aren't overpaid. Plus, we have an actual good coach.

The problem is when your inept QB, combined with your pancaked RB, are eating up $56 million of your cap space. And throw in the bumbling idiot of a head coach for good measure, and the result is that your $40 million QB gets outplayed by Mr. Irrelevant.

 

[awaken]

Has anyone done an examination of Dak's situation this year? Are his WR's getting sufficiently open so Dak doesn't have to throw into small windows all the time? We've already heard about Gallup giving up on routes. I'm not convinced CeeDee Lamb is consistent WR1. Does the OC play a role? However, Emmanuel Acho had a video showing film that Dak was too ambitious and was trying to make throws that he is not capable of (low percentage throws).

 

[DeaconSig]

Not really, because everyone knows who Daniel Jones is and he isn't going to get overpaid. Teams can win with mediocre QBs when they aren't overpaid. Plus, we have an actual good coach.

The problem is when your inept QB, combined with your pancaked RB, are eating up $56 million of your cap space. And throw in the bumbling idiot of a head coach for good measure, and the result is that your $40 million QB gets outplayed by Mr. Irrelevant.

I mean, the Giants would trade for Prescott right now if they could.

Your team is in football purgatory. Have fun with that.

Of course, so are the Cowboys (all though at a slightly higher level than the Giants). And so are the Panthers.

 

[deacvision7]

Not really, because everyone knows who Daniel Jones is and he isn't going to get overpaid. Teams can win with mediocre QBs when they aren't overpaid. Plus, we have an actual good coach.

The problem is when your inept QB, combined with your pancaked RB, are eating up $56 million of your cap space. And throw in the bumbling idiot of a head coach for good measure, and the result is that your $40 million QB gets outplayed by Mr. Irrelevant.

The Giants drafted the guy in the 1st round. Why are you so confident they won't overpay him exactly?

 

[DeacdeTejas]

Has anyone done an examination of Dak's situation this year? Are his WR's getting sufficiently open so Dak doesn't have to throw into small windows all the time? We've already heard about Gallup giving up on routes. I'm not convinced CeeDee Lamb is consistent WR1. Does the OC play a role? However, Emmanuel Acho had a video showing film that Dak was too ambitious and was trying to make throws that he is not capable of (low percentage throws).

It’s a lot of things.

First, Dak was a fourth round QB for a reason. He has never had a great arm or super athleticism. But he did limit mistakes and make good decisions (so when those fall apart everything does)

I think Lamb is a legit #1, but I think trading Cooper was a HOF mistake because Gallop is not a legit #2. And I think because they didn’t have a #2, Dak zeroed in on Lamb far too often

Finally, Moore definitely deserves blame. He reminds me a lot of Matt LaFleur. He gets way too locked into his 20-25 go to plays. I can call half the Cowboys plays the moment they lineup at this point.

I think this is why they did well with Rush. Rush is not a better QB but it forced the Cowboys to actually play to their strengths instead of acting like Dak is Aaron Rodgers

 

[DeacsATS]

The thing about the NFL is that you can escape purgatory pretty quickly.

For example, the Bengals were:
2016 - 6-9-1
2017 - 7-9
2018 - 6-10
2019 - 2-14 (Zac Taylor's 1st Year)
2020 - 4-11-1

And now they've had 2 strong seasons in a row.

They hadn't won a playoff game since 1990 (0-7 in Wild Card from '91-'20) and are now 5-0 in the playoffs the last 2 years. (EDIT: That should read 5-1 given the Super Bowl loss)

KC was pretty blah until they hired Reid (who turned things around in Year 1).
Similar story with SF, who went through Tomsula and Chip Kelly after Harbaugh left, and had two shitty years with Shanahan before things took off in Year 3.

 

[deac29]

The thing about the NFL is that you can escape purgatory pretty quickly.

For example, the Bengals were:
2016 - 6-9-1
2017 - 7-9
2018 - 6-10
2019 - 2-14 (Zac Taylor's 1st Year)
2020 - 4-11-1

And now they've had 2 strong seasons in a row.

They hadn't won a playoff game since 1990 (0-7 in Wild Card from '91-'20) and are now 5-0 in the playoffs the last 2 years.

KC was pretty blah until they hired Reid (who turned things around in Year 1).
Similar story with SF, who went through Tomsula and Chip Kelly after Harbaugh left, and had two shitty years with Shanahan before things took off in Year 3.

Sure, just draft a Hall of Fame QB like the Chiefs and Bengals and problems solved!

 

[DeacsATS]

Sure, just draft a Hall of Fame QB like the Chiefs and Bengals and problems solved!

Reid won with Alex Smith for 5 years before Mahomes was the starter... But yeah, having Mahomes makes it easy to go from good to elite.
Shanahan seemingly can score (and win) with most any QB.

But yeah, you generally have to get the QB right to be a Super Bowl contender... Or have an elite defense (which seems even tougher to achieve).

My general point is that you can be shitty to mediocre and make a quick ascent if you get a few things right.

 

[DeaconSig]

The thing about the NFL is that you can escape purgatory pretty quickly.

For example, the Bengals were:
2016 - 6-9-1
2017 - 7-9
2018 - 6-10
2019 - 2-14 (Zac Taylor's 1st Year)
2020 - 4-11-1

And now they've had 2 strong seasons in a row.

They hadn't won a playoff game since 1990 (0-7 in Wild Card from '91-'20) and are now 5-0 in the playoffs the last 2 years.

KC was pretty blah until they hired Reid (who turned things around in Year 1).
Similar story with SF, who went through Tomsula and Chip Kelly after Harbaugh left, and had two shitty years with Shanahan before things took off in Year 3.

So five years in purgatory is a quick turnaround?

 

[CDeacMan]

The thing about the NFL is that you can escape purgatory pretty quickly.

For example, the Bengals were:
2016 - 6-9-1
2017 - 7-9
2018 - 6-10
2019 - 2-14 (Zac Taylor's 1st Year)
2020 - 4-11-1

And now they've had 2 strong seasons in a row.

They hadn't won a playoff game since 1990 (0-7 in Wild Card from '91-'20) and are now 5-0 in the playoffs the last 2 years.

KC was pretty blah until they hired Reid (who turned things around in Year 1).
Similar story with SF, who went through Tomsula and Chip Kelly after Harbaugh left, and had two shitty years with Shanahan before things took off in Year 3.

Bengals did lose a large playoff game last year

 

[DeacsATS]

Bengals did lose a large playoff game last year

Haha... Nice catch.

 

[DeacsATS]

So five years in purgatory is a quick turnaround?

I'd say going from 4-11-1 to the Super Bowl in one season is a quick turnaround.

My assumption is that "purgatory" means that you are mediocre to shitty for at least a few years. I view "purgatory" in the NFL as being around (and usually just under) .500 for a few years but never making the playoffs.

Purgatory in the sense that you aren't good enough to be a contender, but aren't terrible enough to get the #1 pick.

 

[Pilchard]

Currently, there are two ways to build a Super Bowl contender:

AFC way:

Be terrible and then draft a franchise QB that raises the entire level of the team: KC, Cincy, Buffalo, possibly Jax. Once the rookie deal is done, you going to have pay huge money to your QB which typically leaves roster holes.

NFC way:

Find a lesser QB or later round QB, then use your reduced financial commitment to the QB to fund a deep roster everywhere else: SF, Philly.

The NFL teams that suck are teams that heavily invested in the QB, but he is terrible; so, you have a flawed roster and a mediocre QB: Denver, Indy, Raiders, Green Bay (this year).

 

[DeacWatcher]

Not really, because everyone knows who Daniel Jones is and he isn't going to get overpaid. Teams can win with mediocre QBs when they aren't overpaid. Plus, we have an actual good coach.

The problem is when your inept QB, combined with your pancaked RB, are eating up $56 million of your cap space. And throw in the bumbling idiot of a head coach for good measure, and the result is that your $40 million QB gets outplayed by Mr. Irrelevant

Trust me when Jerry decided to give Zeke big money when he was 2 years away from FA and holding out, I knew once again Jerry was falling in love with a player. We gave Cooper big money but then had to trade him because we had to give to Dak also (but we didn't really have to). Every time we are held at gun point by a player, the Jones always blink first because they are convinced we can't win w/o them and that will never change. Dallas has no idea how to find value talent later in draft like the Ravens/Seahawks/Rams always do.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

I mean, the Giants would trade for Prescott right now if they could.

Your team is in football purgatory. Have fun with that.

Of course, so are the Cowboys (all though at a slightly higher level than the Giants). And so are the Panthers.

Ha, they would laugh Jerry out of the room if he proposed a trade for Dak, especially with that contract. Jerry would have to pay them to take Dak.

The Giants are the farthest thing from purgatory right now. They have two super young offensive tackles who are on All-Pro trajectories, a young stud EDGE on a rookie deal, a very good interior D-line, plenty of cap space, and are about to have the reigning Coach of the Year. They are not going to overpay for either Jones or Saquan, and they won't have to. They just came off a playoff win in a season most people thought they would come in DFL. They need a C, WRs and LBs, which are some of the easiest positions to find serviceable players. They are 2 or 3 years ahead of schedule.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

The Giants drafted the guy in the 1st round. Why are you so confident they won't overpay him exactly?

He was worthy of a first round pick, look at all the other QB bums who get picked first round. Nonetheless, the group that drafted him that high hasn't been there for 2 years. Daboll and crew aren't going to overpay for him, and they won't have to. Who else is throwing cash at Daniel Jones? He has proven he can win in Daboll's system, which is great. But nobody is going to think he is a big-money QB, so the market won't be there for him. Name one team who is going to throw a pile of cash at him. And Daboll isn't stupid, this won't be a case of Jerry bidding against himself for Dak and Zeke.

 

[uncaboref]

So what is your definition of "not overpaying" for him look like? Throw some numbers out there and we'll see how right you are in 6 weeks.

BTW, the "about to be reigning Coach of the Year" finished the season 3-6-1, so let's not go crowning him FB royalty just yet......

 

[PhDeac]

Jones was the 2nd QB taken and is the 2nd best QB in a bad QB class.