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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

PhDeac said:
What are some alternatives you support?
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Guaranteed housing, decriminalization of all drugs, decriminalization of sex work, jobs programs, expanded health care and mental health care. Community mediators. Transformative justice training in k-12.
 
MHBDemon said:
Guaranteed housing, decriminalization of all drugs, decriminalization of sex work, jobs programs, expanded health care and mental health care. Community mediators. Transformative justice training in k-12.
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None of this would make a good tv drama, just sayin’.
 
MHBDemon said:
Guaranteed housing, decriminalization of all drugs, decriminalization of sex work, jobs programs, expanded health care and mental health care. Community mediators. Transformative justice training in k-12.
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I agree with this generally speaking, what is the plan for violent crime?
 
Regarding qualified immunity: What happens when ya make it so miserable socially to be a cop that no one in their right mind and thus the worst of the worst are the only ones willing to do the job?
 
dartsndeacs said:
So what happens when ya make it so miserable socially to be a cop that no one in their right mind and thus the worst of the worst are the only ones willing to do the job?
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That's not happening with teachers. There are still great teachers, just not enough of them.

The real issue is if all these reforms take place there are going to be hundreds of thousands of former cops with a lot of anger and few transferrable real world skills eager to create and join violent groups to continue wreaking havoc on society. What's the plan to deal with these brute squads?
 
PhDeac said:
That's not happening with teachers. There are still great teachers, just not enough of them.

The real issue is if all these reforms take place there are going to be hundreds of thousands of former cops with a lot of anger and few transferrable real world skills eager to create and join violent groups to continue wreaking havoc on society. What's the plan to deal with these brute squads?
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The rich are going to hire them for private security to counterbalance decriminalizing the rest. Ultimately the numbers problem in both teachers and cops will be solved with our upcoming demographic problem. There will be less kids to teach/commit crimes overall
 
police availability or response to things that affect everyday citizens (i.e. small crimes like petty theft, car wrecks/incidents and the like) are so shitty or nonexistent in basically every city i've lived in as an adult that it feels like why bother. with the amount of shootings we see around the country, in public, on a daily basis, it feels hard to argue that cops are effective at preventing large scale violent crimes -- and have a growing habit of being ineffective at preventing these situations from getting worse. which is kinda what they're there for.

feels like i'm getting a raw deal as a tax payer and i don't have anywhere near the job security if i fuck up
 
rawarr said:
police availability or response to things that affect everyday citizens (i.e. small crimes like petty theft, car wrecks/incidents and the like) are so shitty or nonexistent in basically every city i've lived in as an adult that it feels like why bother. with the amount of shootings we see around the country, in public, on a daily basis, it feels hard to argue that cops are effective at preventing large scale violent crimes -- and have a growing habit of being ineffective at preventing these situations from getting worse. which is kinda what they're there for.

feels like i'm getting a raw deal as a tax payer and i don't have anywhere near the job security if i fuck up
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How do we go from this perspective, make cops even more scarce and crime like theft goes down though?
 
i'm not convinced police are really a deterrent to small crimes like that. other than if there was just a cop physically present by chance. i have no research to back up this point of view, but it seems like porch cams are doing most of the work in the petty theft arena.

but i don't really think abolishing the police is that radical of an idea -- other than it upsets the status quo. i haven't been a victim of any violent crimes in my life so maybe that's because of police presence in my community, but maybe it's more attributable to other factors.
 
I kinda like the idea of mass cameras/surveillance, personally.

I know a few cops and they’re all getting 6 figures a year pension retiring at 50. And while I sure as shit didn’t want to do that job and appreciated that they’re around to do it, $100k/yr for life seems like a lot and if cameras can provide the safety bring em on
 
PhDeac said:
That's not happening with teachers. There are still great teachers, just not enough of them.

The real issue is if all these reforms take place there are going to be hundreds of thousands of former cops with a lot of anger and few transferrable real world skills eager to create and join violent groups to continue wreaking havoc on society. What's the plan to deal with these brute squads?
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It is happening with teachers. Obviously not all teachers. I could give you multiple anecdotes just affecting my kids about unstable teachers, obviously unqualified teachers, and teachers who don’t give a shit. And that’s schools in this system where teachers prefer to teach.
 
rawarr said:
i'm not convinced police are really a deterrent to small crimes like that. other than if there was just a cop physically present by chance. i have no research to back up this point of view, but it seems like porch cams are doing most of the work in the petty theft arena.

but i don't really think abolishing the police is that radical of an idea -- other than it upsets the status quo. i haven't been a victim of any violent crimes in my life so maybe that's because of police presence in my community, but maybe it's more attributable to other factors.
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People commit crimes right up to the point where they know they can get away with them or the consequences are so small that it’s worth the risk. That’s obviously shortsighted because once you’re identified as a repeat criminal you’re pretty well screwed.
 
The Biffermeister said:
It is happening with teachers. Obviously not all teachers. I could give you multiple anecdotes just affecting my kids about unstable teachers, obviously unqualified teachers, and teachers who don’t give a shit. And that’s schools in this system where teachers prefer to teach.
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Not saying it’s correlative with policing, but he’s not wrong about teaching
 
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