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Sandusky Gets 30 Years

tintinisahottie said:
I see it as Paterno and this guy were friends for a long time. So when Paterno hears this, he probably doesn't believe it/doesn't know what to do. So he passes what he heard along to his superior who can make a better judgement, actually call for an investigation/call the cops, etc. Imagine calling the cops on a longtime friend on something this potentially damaging if not true just off word of mouth. I think it'd be very hard to do, especially because I'd imagine it'd be hard to imagine a friend being this incredibly depraved. So I think going to his superior with it wasn't the wrong thing to do, the AD is the one who tried to cover it up.
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But 2002 wasn't the first time something like this was alleged with Sandusky. How many times does Paterno have to hear about Sandusky with little boys before he believes something may be horribly wrong here?
 
My take on the situation is wtf did this thing go up a chain of command to report? The GA and Joepa both should have called authorities as soon as they heard about it. If I see a grown man raping a kid here, I'll be damn if i'm calling my boss about it. I'm going straight to the cops and would sure as hell would hope people would do the same if it was my son.

Other questions I have is why didn't Joepa follow up?

Why did this coach get an office on campus, tickets, parking. Basically the VIP treatment of someone who had given his life to the school when he retired and most importantly after the incidents?

I admire Joepa for I do think he has done it the right way and graduated players but everyone likes to talk about morality when speaking of JoePa. What would be the MORAL thing to do in all of this? It's sad and I really think next week's game in Happy Valley will be his last.
 
Lots and lots of legitimate questions being asked. Just have to wait and see what sorts of answers there are to the questions.

What is most alarming to me is that someone apparently witnessed the crime and yet nothing really came of it.
 
TBR said:
Consider two things:

1) McQueary played at Penn State. He was a star player for 2 years. In other words, Paterno knew McQueary on a first hand basis and thought enough of him to offer him the graduate assistant-ship.

2) After this incident, Paterno then promoted McQueary to full time assistant after the graduate assistant-ship had ended. This means he trusted McQueary. Are you going to promote someone who you think lied to you? Or someone who witnessed a crime of this nature and didn't have the guts to go to the authorities?
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Why are you not criticizing the graduate assistant for merely going to his superior instead of the authorities? Especially since he saw the alleged rape, not Paterno
 
I haven't read the whole thread...

I graduated from Penn State in 1999...Was shocked as well that Sandusky left because of all the reports you read, that he was supposed to be the heir. Amazing in 1999 we were having the exact same conversations about 'should Joe Retire'.

With all the allegations/facts/stories, etc still being surfaced, all I can say is this one really really hurts. The poor children first and foremost. However, I know myself and everyone who loves that school as much as I do, is hurt by this one. Dark day in Happy Valley
 
Brendan207 said:
No, I'd only be skeptical if it was the first time I'd heard anything like that and the allegations came completely as a surprise.

This is per the ESPN article:

But Paterno said in his statement that McQueary had not been specific with him.

"As my grand jury testimony stated," Joe Paterno said in the statement, "I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report.

I'm sure it will come out exactly what McQueary said to JoePa. Was he specific? Did he tell JoePa it looked like the guy was having sex with a minor. Because if some guy came to me and said he was SURE he saw a 60 year old guy raping a kid I'd do more than go to my supervisor. I'd make sure he never came back to campus ever again and I'd probably follow up with my boss to make sure police got involved.
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Unless McQueary or Paterno recorded the conversation, or one of them admits to previously lying to the grand jury, how exactly is it going to come out exactly what McQueary said to JoePa?
 
tintinisahottie said:
Why are you not criticizing the graduate assistant for merely going to his superior instead of the authorities? Especially since he saw the alleged rape, not Paterno
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The GA definitely should have stopped the situation and contacted the police immediately. His situation is a little more murky though. The route he chose to take wasn't the best, but there were 3 very powerful individuals (paterno, curly, Schultz) that chose to ignore/cover up the incident. What does that tell the GA?


More importantly.....I cannot for the life of me figure out how an admission of showering naked with a boy and saying "maybe" when asked if he touched genitals is not enough evidence to prosecute? He ends the little interrogation with "I wish I were dead." It almost seems like he wanted to be stopped, not having the will power ti do it himself, bit the powers that be, which is starting to look like a mafia, refused to stop him.
 
people decided to lie to protect the reputation of the school, and the reputation of a pedophile. i hope they all burn in hell.
 
KitchinDeac said:
Unless McQueary or Paterno recorded the conversation, or one of them admits to previously lying to the grand jury, how exactly is it going to come out exactly what McQueary said to JoePa?
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It wont. McQuery is being setup to go down hard....its gonna be mcquery, and dad versus the psu brass......
 
If this had come out just a week or so earlier, people could have had some sweet Penn State pedophile costumes for Halloween.

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Just switch out the priest shirt for a PSU coach's shirt.
 
There are a lot of people to blame but I can't believe McQuery and his dad didn't see this through until something was done...

I mean McQuery saw Sandusky anally raping a 10 year old. Who just sits on that assuming the administration would do something?

I would call and call and call some more and if nothing was happening within about two days I go to the police directly and give a sworn statement.

Yeah I understand the intimidating atmosphere around big time football programs but for him and his dad not to personally make sure Sandusky was charged is unthinkable.

Sandusky just need to do the honorable thing and kill himself.
 
Ralph Medlin said:
There are a lot of people to blame but I can't believe McQuery and his dad didn't see this through until something was done...

I mean McQuery saw Sandusky anally raping a 10 year old. Who just sits on that assuming the administration would do something?

I would call and call and call some more and if nothing was happening within about two days I go to the police directly and give a sworn statement.

Yeah I understand the intimidating atmosphere around big time football programs but for him and his dad not to personally make sure Sandusky was charged is unthinkable.

Sandusky just need to do the honorable thing and kill himself.
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And then continue to work for the organization despite Sandusky still being very involved with the school and still involved with CHILDREN.
 
Ralph Medlin said:
There are a lot of people to blame but I can't believe McQuery and his dad didn't see this through until something was done...

I mean McQuery saw Sandusky anally raping a 10 year old. Who just sits on that assuming the administration would do something?

I would call and call and call some more and if nothing was happening within about two days I go to the police directly and give a sworn statement.

Yeah I understand the intimidating atmosphere around big time football programs but for him and his dad not to personally make sure Sandusky was charged is unthinkable.

Sandusky just need to do the honorable thing and kill himself.
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What kind of person decides to ignore that and further their career in the same place? I witnessed something horrific once and I never went back to that location. How do you not have flashbacks every time you look at the shower?
 
McQuery's role in all of this is still what i'm having trouble wrapping my mind around... The fact that he's still on the sidelines for PSU is a real head scratcher.

If I'm a low-to-mid level employee with aspirations of ascending to the top of my company one day and I see one of my bosses ass-raping a 10 year-old, report it to his boss, and nothing happens and I have to live knowing that the pedo is still hanging around my office and hosting overnight camps for kids nearly a decade earlier... I'm pretty sure I'm re-evaluating my career path within that organization.

Regardless, this whole case is just sickening. Its no secret that guys like Sandusky don't stick to one target; how did people let this slide? I mean, Sandusky is a monster and there's no lower scum on this earth... but Holy Hell, based on everything that I've read so far; there are a handful of people involved in this mess who have a lot of explaining to do.
 
DiegoTiger said:
The GA definitely should have stopped the situation and contacted the police immediately. His situation is a little more murky though. The route he chose to take wasn't the best, but there were 3 very powerful individuals (paterno, curly, Schultz) that chose to ignore/cover up the incident. What does that tell the GA?
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He actually literally saw a 10 year old get anally raped and all he could do is tell a football coach?
 
I don't know. If he was a GA he is what 25-28 years old? Here is a guy that was a coach of his doing this. I don't think it's unreasonable that you get hit by seeing something like that and not know what to do, right away.

I would call my dad, and he would tell me to call the police. Or I could see talking to Joe Pa because you don't know what to do, and him saying, "I'll take care of this, son." You follow up obviously, and make sure that something is done but I think unless you're in that situation you can't really know how you would react.
 
tintinisahottie said:
Why are you not criticizing the graduate assistant for merely going to his superior instead of the authorities? Especially since he saw the alleged rape, not Paterno
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I have done so, repeatedly.

The thing is Paterno is much more likely to get out of this relatively scotch free. McQueary's coaching career is virtually over.
 
You know things are bad when Tucker Max is the voice of reason. His twitter feed has been epic since the news broke.
 
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