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Role of the Media

There are 49 other people still on that top 50 list, and presumably a fiftieth has taken his place. You want to go to NYC and see if you can help them more than the
task force of city agency workers and social-service nonprofits; when homeless-outreach workers see someone who is on the list
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ConnorEl said:
I’m not following y’all.

So he was known to authorities and considered to be a troubled or at risk person…and that in itself is problematic?
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It’s part of Penny’s defense. NYT a mouthpiece for the vigilante justice side.
 
ConnorEl said:
Yeah, still not getting the criticism.
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It’s the “he was no angel” classic victim blame. None of that meant he deserved to be murdered.

And it’s an article very light on the fact that there’s loads of Di Blasio money missing from the city’s mental health/crisis management funds.
 
I understand what you’re saying.

And I think the reported information seems relevant to both the public and the defense. And should be, without being a justification for the killing.

If the reporting is inaccurate then deserves criticism.
 
Just want to remind everybody that “resistance to help” reported data for the homeless is absolute bullshit and is just used as an excuse to criminalize
 
Who does it benefit to have it reported that the NYC authorities were aware of Neely and his history? Does the general public benefit from having that information out there? Or is it certain people or institutions who benefit?
 
I don’t know about aggregate statistics.

But I know for sure that some homeless folks indeed resist repeated efforts and offers to help.
 
How we collectively address, or attempt to or don’t, homelessness and mental illness should be of interest to everyone.
 
You would think all these liberal cities who report themselves as spending hundreds of millions of dollars year after year on the homeless would have some actual solid housing infrastructure to show for it, but no. Ok, so there should be plenty of shelter space and it should be immaculate? Absolutely not. Ok, the homeless should all have money to eat every day. No. It’s bullshit budgetary manipulation that covers the policing, harassment and displacement of homeless and cycling them through the justice system, all under the guise of caring for them.
 
Great posts. I’ll add that the reluctance to connect homelessness to the overall housing crisis speaks volumes.
 
PhDeac said:
Great posts. I’ll add that the reluctance to connect homelessness to the overall housing crisis speaks volumes.
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Yeah, homeless people are always framed in the media as people who are not able function in society. And yet homelessness spikes in places where there is no affordable housing.

Reminds me of the “disability” argument where people are able to function in society when there are reasonable accommodations, but if you can’t operate in an environment built only for able bodied people then your condition is the problem, not the way the environment is built
 
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Yeah. An easy example. Why are steps the default instead of ramps?
 
OK, for sure offending NYT piece isn’t attempting to be a careful exposé on homelessness and its solutions. However simple or complex.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I have plenty of experience witnessing something akin to the bolded below.

The hard truth that advocates of forced treatment ought to concede is that coercion often backfires. Each year in California, tens of thousands of people are already transported involuntarily to ERs and admitted to hospitals against their will. These involuntary hospitalizations may save a person’s life in the moment, which is no small thing, but research shows that many who undergo this process are traumatized and humiliated, leading to increased suicide risk and long-term distrust of treatment providers. When delivered in a heavy-handed way, court-ordered treatment is not only ineffective but can also drive people decisively away from essential services.


Anti-coercion advocates, on the other hand, are right that most homeless people are clamoring for voluntary resources and housing. (Newsom’s last two budgets included $14 billion in new funds to combat homelessness, through housing and services, to be distributed over several years; it is unclear what the tab for Care Courts would be, though they may draw on those funds.) But the reality is that some people who might have accepted assistance earlier in their lives, had it been available, have deteriorated psychologically or become so skeptical of providers that they won’t accept help they need. One county official we interviewed (granted anonymity by university protocols) described an elderly homeless person with psychosis who had refused more than 100 offers of supported housing. We’ve observed such refusals ourselves, and we’ve watched people drink themselves to death or die from untreated medical conditions when left with purely voluntary supports in independent apartments. Our society should not sacrifice these vulnerable people on the altar of a one-size-fits-all ideal of voluntary care.
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From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/11/care-courts-california-homeless-coercion/


Anyhow, from what I’m aware of, I’m glad charges have been filed and presumably the facts/elements will be adjudicated in court.
 
Uh oh...Elon being subpoenaed in the USVIs as part of the Epstein investigation.
 
Time to celebrate!

“Republicans are back on the air. Republicans weren’t on the air,” on CNN, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav told a media conference Thursday as he said the storied brand is moving to become less of an “advocacy network” under new leadership.


“During the McCarthy hearings, for those four days, we had 75 Republicans on the air, 41 went on us before they want on Fox [News]. And the reason is, as I’ve said, and Chris [CNN chief Chris Licht] has too, to a number of them, they are not going to get one more vote on Fox News. They’ve already got that.” He was referring to successive votes over four days in January as the GOP struggled to unite its ranks to reach a victory for House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
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“Republicans Are Back On The Air” On CNN, Cheers Warner Bros. Discovery Chief David Zaslav

“Republicans are back on the air. Republicans weren’t on the air,” on CNN, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav told a media conference Thursday as he said the storied brand is moving to become …
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see I've always thought that CNN's hosts, particularly its primetime ones are the least "advocacy" ones. no one close to a Hannity or a Maddow.
 
I'm not sure why people watch anything newsy in prime time after the most of the US news has happened. But I imagine people want to watch commentary or "advocacy" about all the news that broke during the day. CNN already does plenty of mixed bag of talking heads commenting on the news during the day. Why do the same at night? It's a weird investment in centrism.

Also the TV news business seems to have completely given up on attracting viewers under 35. They seem to have no plan to replace a dying audience. Kaitlin Collins newshour at 9:00 isn't going to do that. I'm surprised they haven't tried to bring on any popular politics podcasters. Or maybe they have and the podcasters are already making good money and getting plenty of clicks, listens, and views.
 
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