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The Manning Buyout

Haros said:
And the $18M is likely what the buyout would have been had we acted a year earlier. The timing of Wellman’s departure was likely not coincidence given the timing and magnitude of this high profile failure.
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Yet Wake has heaped honors on him.
 
Let's not be less than generous and admit that Wellman has also forever enriched our terminology with his memorable euphemism to excuse failure, incompetence, and unaccountability: "historically competitive."
 
Not a Wellman fam. bit truth is this Wellman dump-fest has a little of the feel of clients commonly complaining about whoever their last lawyer was. Sometimes some of their complaints may be justified (including some of ours about Wellman), but a lot of times when you look into it and see all the facts actually at issue that had to be considered at the time some of those decision was made by the former lawyer, it turns out that a lot of those decisions were actually not bad calls and even in some instances were clearly the right and only call that had to be made at the time. Knowing the rest of the story is uncomfortably enlightening sometimes.

Not intending to mess, though, with the dynamics of a sports board. That is what sports boards are for. Vent on, Deac fans, vent on.
 
1976Deac said:
Not a Wellman fam. bit truth is this Wellman dump-fest has a little of the feel of clients commonly complaining about whoever their last lawyer was. Sometimes some of their complaints may be justified (including some of ours about Wellman), but a lot of times when you look into it and see all the facts actually at issue that had to be considered at the time some of those decision was made by the former lawyer, it turns out that a lot of those decisions were actually not bad calls and even in some instances were clearly the right and only call that had to be made at the time. Knowing the rest of the story is uncomfortably enlightening sometimes.

Not intending to mess, though, with the dynamics of a sports board. That is what sports boards are for. Vent on, Deac fans, vent on.
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Would love to hear a scenario that would make giving Danny Manning a fully guaranteed contract extension actually “the right and only call”
 
Deacfreak07 said:
This. He was extended after the First Four loss with John Collins on the roster despite no interest from other schools.
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I'm not defending the buyout. But he was extended off of Wake's first and only NCAA appearance since 2009-2010 😭 and had Wake's best recruit since 2008 coming in the next season (Chaundee Brown) and was putting in work with even better recruits in the following class (Jaylen Board and Mucius).
 
MichDeac25 said:
I'm not defending the buyout. But he was extended off of Wake's first and only NCAA appearance since 2009-2010 😭 and had Wake's best recruit since 2008 coming in the next season (Chaundee Brown) and was putting in work with even better recruits in the following class (Jaylen Board and Mucius).
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That season probably did merit an extension for Manning.

But to give a fully guaranteed extension for that many years just screams that Wellman was being arrogant and refusing to even consider that his hire might not work out long term. There was simply no reason to give such a long extension that had the buyout that it did.
 
C'mon 76- since the moment that Skip died, Wellman's every move that he made turned out to be complete shit. First of all, he should have hired an interim head coach to get through that first season(Pete Gillen was available). Instead he promoted an assistant (notably did not make him interim coach) who was not on the radar for ANY other jobs, much less a power conference job. Then after 2nd season, he gave Gaudio an extension (sound familiar) , then fired him after season three. Now granted there is not really a playbook to follow when your popular head coach dies suddenly so I'll give him a slight break up to this point. But then it gets much much worse...hiring [Redacted] (one of the worst hires in ACC history), placing assistants on [Redacted]'s staff for him, ignoring reality and letting [Redacted] have multiple seasons when it was obvious he was a terrible fit for WFU, attempting to gaslight the fans into thinking that things were going exactly to plan. When he finally fired [Redacted], he somehow hires someone even worse when that should have been impossible. He then gives Manning a massive extension at the very first chance he gets when we made the playin game of NCAA and and then Wellman sits around and watches for several more seasons as it got much much worse. The chef's kiss is that Wellman retires and saddles the new AD with a 14 million dollar buyout just as the new landscape of NIL is changing the college game completely on its head and the need for cash is never greater. Did I miss anything? I'm sure there were more. Wellman was program destroyer, simple as that.
 
The buyout paved the road to Wake Forest for Forbes. Yay! I’m going to try my best to focus solely on that perspective, because concentrating on all that money and the f-offs who set up that scenario makes my insides boil. Thanks to those in our fandom who opened Their deep pockets to make it happen. And the biggest thanks to Currie.
 
DeacDaddy said:
The bball falloff happened to coincide with the impressionable periods of some of my kids’ childhoods. No doubt many of yours too. Those early years when a kid realizes that’s he’s going to be a Deac fan like his father or mother because it’s just so much fun to get into. It’s why I changed my username from Rogandel to this in the 2011 migration to the new boards.

So basically, I blame Wellman for stealing memories from me and my kids. I admit my bias, which is probably a bit over the top, but there you have it.

I don’t ultimately care about missed ACC Championship opportunities of our men’s bball team, nearly as much as missed Wednesday nights and Saturday afternoons watching the Deacs with my progeny. Which is what happens when the product gets so bad, that the kids feel a pang of piteous disinterest toward their Dad when they read the disappointed disillusionment on his face for ever having tried to recruit them into this shared experience in the first place.

I’ve sometimes wondered if, in his quieter moments, Wellman has ever had the requisite introspection to consider his debacle from that angle.
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This is my situation as well
 
ChrisL68 said:
Wellman definitely tarnished his legacy in a major way with the handling of the BB program. But there is no interest to be served in some petty "disownment", which is why wake didn't do that.
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Big difference between "disowning" him and naming half a dozen features of campus after him. Ridiculous.
 
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