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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

PhDeac said:
There's also a good chance adding more teams will backfire on conferences like adding more content is backfiring on streaming services now. Adding teams may look cool until there's no market for filler games like Arizona vs. UCF.
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If I'm drowning in the ocean, I'd rather grab for a life raft than a piece of wood, but if a piece of wood is all I see, I'm going for it. Maybe I won't survive, but I won't drown as fast. Survive and advance and whatnot.

Sure, we can cause the schools that want to leave the conference some pain. We can get paid. All of which does nothing whatsoever to address my long-term desire to watch WFU play meaningful games.

Chance favors those in motion. And I'm concerned that the ACC leadership has decision paralysis, and is hoping the GOR somehow forces a better outcome. At best, it gives the ACC a little time to come up with a plan, which it seems to be squandering.

Hope is not a good plan. And recognizing that your options may not be what you wish they were is not giving up.
 
PhDeac said:
Several million dollars and having to go up north for a bowl game. Otherwise it's the same thing, especially for fans.

I'm not too shocked about the Trustees being up at arms because they'd have a say in spending that extra cash. Fans should be more concerned about NIL and winning games.
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oh I was referring to them in the SEC. I just find it hilarious that their argument why they suck is because of the conference. Clemson emerged after FSU's heyday and has done just fine.
 
Connecticut doesn't move the needle for football and that's what drives most of this but I'd think just for basketball they'd still be a fine addition. Although that probably got us into some of this mess to start with when the ACC kicked off the dominoes back in the early 2000s.

If the Pac 12 opportunity doesn't work out in any feasible manner, I guess the next best is try to snag the best regional teams like the Big 12 is doing after trying to poach some border type schools like West Virginia that would be an interesting geographic fit?

I really don't know if there's a "good" answer if the ACC is staring down a loss of 6 teams or something.
 
I understand where you're coming from, Kent. Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington are the only four I'd be excited about adding to the ACC. And count me in for traveling to all four. But adding for adding's sake is a bad move.
 
I don’t know man ACC looks pretty good right now compared to the PAC 12.

Also not sure Big 12 is going to get more money than they’re getting now when their rights come back up
 
Kent said:
It took me a minute, but this is where I am. The ACC can wait around to die via attrition, or it can take some action to change the unsustainable status quo. The issue probably has to do with math- how much the new mega-conference could earn. But the ACC as we knew it is in a death spiral, so I think the downside to not acting is higher. We can either wait and see, and have most of the ACC teams end up in a lesser conference- or we can take our shot.

My guess is that some of the schools (FSU for sure, maybe others) would not get behind any sort of expansion or reorganization plan specifically because they want the ACC to die so they'd be free of the GOR.

But if the ACC is going to survive it needs to act, and the most logical act I see is to combine with other teams in similar situations. No one is leaving the Big10 or the SEC. The Big12 seems to already be acting. That leaves the Pac10. For the moment at least.
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I just don’t get the logistics of west coast and east coast teams playing against each other in 15 sports. It’s unsustainable, both in terms of scheduling and the health/academics of the student athletes.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
I don’t know man ACC looks pretty good right now compared to the PAC 12.

Also not sure Big 12 is going to get more money than they’re getting now when their rights come back up
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The Big XII is locked in through the 2030-31 seasons. You're right though -- we don't know how much they'll get after that.
 
wfu22fan said:
I just don’t get the logistics of west coast and east coast teams playing against each other in 15 sports. It’s unsustainable, both in terms of scheduling and the health/academics of the student athletes.
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What making UCLA Tennis drive/bus 2 hours from Champaign to O'Hare so they can hop on a flight with the USC golf team that played in Northwestern isn't sustainable?
 
WokeandBroke said:
IDK but I am curious if the act of expansion itself might trigger an out under the GOR. It may not be an option at all, outside of ND (LOL).
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I asked this to a friend of mine today who's law firm worked on drafting the GOR and he said expansion does not nullify it
 
ironwill24 said:
I asked this to a friend of mine today who's law firm worked on drafting the GOR and he said expansion does not nullify it
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Yep. Any new teams added would vote to accept the terms of the GOR but it doesn't change the GOR for the current members.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Connecticut doesn't move the needle for football and that's what drives most of this but I'd think just for basketball they'd still be a fine addition. Although that probably got us into some of this mess to start with when the ACC kicked off the dominoes back in the early 2000s.

If the Pac 12 opportunity doesn't work out in any feasible manner, I guess the next best is try to snag the best regional teams like the Big 12 is doing after trying to poach some border type schools like West Virginia that would be an interesting geographic fit?

I really don't know if there's a "good" answer if the ACC is staring down a loss of 6 teams or something.
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The Big 12 is certainly not staying within a region. The ACC shouldn't just add App, ECU, Coastal, and USF either.
 
PhDeac said:
The Big 12 is certainly not staying within a region. The ACC shouldn't just add App, ECU, Coastal, and USF either.
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Yeah that should've read "snag the best regional teams or like the Big 12 is doing.

But if you don't grab the regional teams who is left? Is the ACC poaching teams from the Big 12? Sure aren't poaching from the Big 10 or the SEC and if the Pac 12 didn't feasibly work...idk
 
Fact of the matter is that if FSU wants out, they already would have been out. They know they’re stuck here and are all bark with none of the bite. Either shit or get off the pot, everyone is tired of hearing them complain and act all high and mighty
 
is FSU hoping that their public bitching will cause the ACC just to say "fine if you wanna leave, leave"?
 
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