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Most Bothersome Wake Forest Development in the last 12 months? Pit/Tunnels Adjace

JuiceCrewAllStar said:
what would you say is the wokest thing about wake forest?
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Its a trap I know. . . for ammunition against me later, but since you asked. . .

First and foremost its absolute abandonment of its Baptist beginnings, heritage and roots.

everything follows suit after that. Many values considered historically biblical, are now considered hateful or non-inclusive on this campus. the university basically resembles the culture now, which i understand is what some of you all want for the school, I get it.

However, it used to be a college/univ based on the Christian faith, then the law school (late 1800s) the medical school (early 1900s) then the business school sometime around WWII, but all the while maintaining its biblical worldview.

very different now. a lot more $$ and prestige bent toward LGBTQ, DEI, etc. programs in recent years. Again, I understand that many of you want that, and its clear that's the way things are headed.

But you asked what's gone woke. . . Id say most of it. Baptist money created this school, the southern Baptist convention planted this school.

whether or not we agree with there is now, we can all agree that it is far from its founding. Have some things improved? absolutely, and WFU led the way when many schools stayed behind. but it was all still based on a Christian world view

I know, I know. . . . the tunnels. but you asked.
 
DeaconiousHooz said:
Its a trap I know. . . for ammunition against me later, but since you asked. . .

First and foremost its absolute abandonment of its Baptist beginnings, heritage and roots.

everything follows suit after that. Many values considered historically biblical, are now considered hateful or non-inclusive on this campus. the university basically resembles the culture now, which i understand is what some of you all want for the school, I get it.

However, it used to be a college/univ based on the Christian faith, then the law school (late 1800s) the medical school (early 1900s) then the business school sometime around WWII, but all the while maintaining its biblical worldview.

very different now. a lot more $$ and prestige bent toward LGBTQ, DEI, etc. programs in recent years. Again, I understand that many of you want that, and its clear that's the way things are headed.

But you asked what's gone woke. . . Id say most of it. Baptist money created this school, the southern Baptist convention planted this school.

whether or not we agree with there is now, we can all agree that it is far from its founding. Have some things improved? absolutely, and WFU led the way when many schools stayed behind. but it was all still based on a Christian world view

I know, I know. . . . the tunnels. but you asked.
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not going to argue whether these changes are good or bad.

But i'm curious how you think they have impacted Wake's ranking?
 
DeaconiousHooz said:
Its a trap I know. . . for ammunition against me later, but since you asked. . .

First and foremost its absolute abandonment of its Baptist beginnings, heritage and roots.

everything follows suit after that. Many values considered historically biblical, are now considered hateful or non-inclusive on this campus. the university basically resembles the culture now, which i understand is what some of you all want for the school, I get it.

However, it used to be a college/univ based on the Christian faith, then the law school (late 1800s) the medical school (early 1900s) then the business school sometime around WWII, but all the while maintaining its biblical worldview.

very different now. a lot more $$ and prestige bent toward LGBTQ, DEI, etc. programs in recent years. Again, I understand that many of you want that, and its clear that's the way things are headed.

But you asked what's gone woke. . . Id say most of it. Baptist money created this school, the southern Baptist convention planted this school.

whether or not we agree with there is now, we can all agree that it is far from its founding. Have some things improved? absolutely, and WFU led the way when many schools stayed behind. but it was all still based on a Christian world view

I know, I know. . . . the tunnels. but you asked.
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Anybody who graduated from Wake and uses the term “woke” was failed by WFU. I’d say most grads of WFU still believe in The Enlightenment as threshold to their beliefs.
 
I dont necessarily now, now that folks on here have explained the ranking changes. I am not so closed minded that I wont hear valid points.


My thought though, was that if we stayed true to being excellent at LAW, Medical, Business, you know, school stuff, and for the right reasons. . . not just political things, perhaps it improves.

that is all
 
macktheknife said:
Anybody who graduated from Wake and uses the term “woke” was failed by WFU. I’d say most grads of WFU still believe in The Enlightenment as threshold to their beliefs.
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thats fine, ive not used that term, someone else introduced it. I just responded
 
DeaconiousHooz said:
I dont necessarily now, now that folks on here have explained the ranking changes. I am not so closed minded that I wont hear valid points.


My thought though, was that if we stayed true to being excellent at LAW, Medical, Business, you know, school stuff, and for the right reasons. . . not just political things, perhaps it improves.

that is all
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thanks for being willing to explain it. appreciate differing POV even if i disagree.
 
Donnie Greensboro really missed on his assesment of this one:

U.S. News and World Report adjusted its methodology for ranking schools this year, increasing the weight of a school's success in graduating students from different backgrounds, and eliminating factors like alumni giving, faculty with terminal degree, class size and high school standing.

The new metrics did help boost the ratings of more than a dozen public universities make meaningful jumps on the list. Fresno State University, a Hispanic-serving institution in California, climbed 64 spots to No. 185 among national universities. Rutgers University made smaller but still notable jumps at each of its three campuses by at least 15 spots.
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DeaconiousHooz said:
First and foremost its absolute abandonment of its Baptist beginnings, heritage and roots.
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There's a lot here, but in my considered opinion, "abandoning the Baptist beginnings" was the single best thing that WFU ever did. And that was before Christianity allowed some bad cats to conscript it as a way to launder their hate and bigotry. The baptists (and virtually all other Christian religions) need to reclaim God and the whole love thy neighbor thing before they worry about reclaiming WFU.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
But the Baptist heritage isn’t what got Wake into the top 30 of the rankings or raise its national academic prestige - that occurred while Wake stepped away from it and went from being a solid regional school to a better known national academic institution.
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Id say, they didnt step away from it, it was still the worldview from which decisions were made, but certainly investing in and building these schools was the catalyst. I agree

It is the recent years that we have seen the decline in ranking, so my take was, "so, what has happened in an inordinate way in the last decade. . . ?" thats where that came from.
 
Wasn’t wake forest the modern institution basically created by the Reynolds family buying some quasi seminary. Gotta think it was basically a “Baptist” school in name only at that point, regardless of when it officially severed the tie.
 
Kent said:
There's a lot here, but in my considered opinion, "abandoning the Baptist beginnings" was the single best thing that WFU ever did. And that was before Christianity allowed some bad cats to conscript it as a way to launder their hate and bigotry. The baptists (and virtually all other Christian religions) need to reclaim God and the whole love thy neighbor thing before they worry about reclaiming WFU.
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I understand there are opinions like these on this board, and my beliefs are strong enough to handle it. I appreciate the perspective.

My larger point was in answering how MSD has changed over the years.

I disagree that walking away from Baptist Christian faith was the best thing it ever did.

It was Christians who lobbied and fought for equality, de-segregation, etc. and in many ways WFU led the way among many universities in the south.

Really, it doesnt matter what the issue is that we discuss, I will always assume it is better/greater when God is honored and sought in it.

Again, appreciate the cordial response.
 
06deacon said:
Wasn’t wake forest the modern institution basically created by the Reynolds family buying some quasi seminary. Gotta think it was basically a “Baptist” school in name only at that point, regardless of when it officially severed the tie.
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no, it was the Baptist state convention of the state of NC.

Basically the southern baptist convention, NC chapter
 
DeaconiousHooz said:
no, it was the Baptist state convention of the state of NC.

Basically the southern baptist convention, NC chapter
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also, see the seminary in Wake Forest, NC Southeastern Seminary, basically took its place when the Reynolds family moved WFU from there to W-S.
 
I think Wake separated with the Baptist Christian faith when the Baptist Christian Faith stopped standing for those changes that you mentioned above.

It's reasonable to believe that it was great it was Baptist-affiliated when they stood for progressive change and what's right, and now it's not so great when those ideals have since been abandoned.
 
How do these points square together

DeaconiousHooz said:
Its a trap I know. . . for ammunition against me later, but since you asked. . .

First and foremost its absolute abandonment of its Baptist beginnings, heritage and roots.

everything follows suit after that. Many values considered historically biblical, are now considered hateful or non-inclusive on this campus. the university basically resembles the culture now, which i understand is what some of you all want for the school, I get it.

However, it used to be a college/univ based on the Christian faith, then the law school (late 1800s) the medical school (early 1900s) then the business school sometime around WWII, but all the while maintaining its biblical worldview.

very different now. a lot more $$ and prestige bent toward LGBTQ, DEI, etc. programs in recent years. Again, I understand that many of you want that, and its clear that's the way things are headed.

But you asked what's gone woke. . . Id say most of it. Baptist money created this school, the southern Baptist convention planted this school.

whether or not we agree with there is now, we can all agree that it is far from its founding. Have some things improved? absolutely, and WFU led the way when many schools stayed behind. but it was all still based on a Christian world view

I know, I know. . . . the tunnels. but you asked.
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DeaconiousHooz said:
I understand there are opinions like these on this board, and my beliefs are strong enough to handle it. I appreciate the perspective.

My larger point was in answering how MSD has changed over the years.

I disagree that walking away from Baptist Christian faith was the best thing it ever did.

It was Christians who lobbied and fought for equality, de-segregation, etc. and in many ways WFU led the way among many universities in the south.

Really, it doesnt matter what the issue is that we discuss, I will always assume it is better/greater when God is honored and sought in it.

Again, appreciate the cordial response.
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Deacsfan27 said:
I think Wake separated with the Baptist Christian faith when the Baptist Christian Faith stopped standing for those changes that you mentioned above.

It's reasonable to believe that it was great it was Baptist-affiliated when they stood for progressive change and what's right, and now it's not so great when those ideals have since been abandoned.
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now we get into this. . . lets just not.

I didn't talk trash about anyone else's faith, we were describing how the univ changed. don't accuse my faith of something, or me, when you really don't know.
 
The real rift began, IIRC, in the late 70's when the Baptist State Convention began demanding the university return an NSF grant.
 
giant church looming over campus
 
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