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2023 Carolina Panthers thread - HOF Julius Peppers

for as good as the D has been it's disappointing that they've given up big gains/scores late. with as inept as the offense is a two score lead late is game over.
 
guitardeac said:
I'm not the least bit concerned about Bryce. He will be a top flight NFL QB and will have at a minimum a really good back half of the season. He's a stud. My concern is that now that Shaq and Horn are toast, Fitt will trade draft pricks to bring in replacements for one or both of them.
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is your concern just a worry or something you know is in the works
 
It would be ridiculous to make a trade like that at 0-2. Made some sense two years ago at 3-0 after Horn went down even though that season fell apart
 
I’m not giving up on Bryce after his first 2 games. He has looked very accurate, he’s led receivers and thrown very catchable balls, thrown from different arm slots, he has shown good pocket awareness and avoided sacks. He has known when to run, and has looked very calm and decisive. I think his confidence in his receivers will grow as the season goes on, and he will become a more dynamic passer. We knew before he was drafted that he wasn’t a game breaking QB or a gunslinging risk taker, he is going to be patient in the offense and that’s going to be really frustrating when we are playing elite defenses that shut us down.
 
I do agree that so far Bryce hasn’t shown the type of ability that makes the players around him better, kinda the opposite, he seems like he will only play to the ability of his receivers, which is disappointing because that puts a major ceiling on his potential. I hope that changes.
 
I was hoping Young/Mingo would be shades of Russell/Metcalf. So far, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
 
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Well, Russell had been in the league for 7 years and won a super Bowl before Metcalf joined the Seahawks, so I think that might not be a great analogy. Hopefully they can keep pace with Pickett/Pickens at this point.
 
I’m not ready to pile on this team yet, but it sure is disappointing to watch a team that is clearly going to lose a lot this season and not even get the draft capital for it.

I’m also much more worried about Mingo than Young. If Mingo was ready to be halfway decent, you’d think he would be able to quickly establish himself as the WR1 on this team. That doesn’t appear to be happening.
 
deacon14 said:
I’m not ready to pile on this team yet, but it sure is disappointing to watch a team that is clearly going to lose a lot this season and not even get the draft capital for it.

I’m also much more worried about Mingo than Young. If Mingo was ready to be halfway decent, you’d think he would be able to quickly establish himself as the WR1 on this team. That doesn’t appear to be happening.
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I think the culprit with that is primarily the play calling and schemes. And also what's been told to Young in terms of his checkdown priorities. So far, I am absolutely astonished at the training wheels on the offense. I get it to a point, ease a rookie QB in with this receiving group and build on it as the season moves along but I mean damn.
 
How many pass attempts over 20 yards do we have through two games? Where the ball actually is thrown downfield instead of a shorter route that then gained YAC (although this also hasn't really happened so far this season either)
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
As I said repeatedly before the draft, it is fine to give up picks if there is a franchise QB out there to get, but this was not the draft to do it. None of Young, Stroud, or AR are franchise QBs. Young was only the palatable choice of the 3 because the other two are so bad.

As I said on here a dozen times, they should have rolled another year with Darnold, drafted Jalen Carter, traded up in the 2024 draft, and gotten a real QB. Instead, the season is over after the second fucking week, and no draft pick to even tank for. Maye or Williams will be far superior to Bryce. Hell, take the package deal of Deion and whatever his kid's made-up name is, and who wouldn't be a lot more excited than we are now? This is a fucking disaster.
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Far too early to heap praise on the guy, but Stroud has 626 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, a 91.2 QBR, and has the second most completions (behind Cam) of any rookie QB in his first 2 games. On a horrible team.
 
tigerswood said:
Far too early to heap praise on the guy, but Stroud has 626 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, a 91.2 QBR, and has the second most completions (behind Cam) of any rookie QB in his first 2 games. On a horrible team.
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Anthony Richardson has also looked pretty good when he wasn’t getting concussed
 
tigerswood said:
Far too early to heap praise on the guy, but Stroud has 626 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, a 91.2 QBR, and has the second most completions (behind Cam) of any rookie QB in his first 2 games. On a horrible team.
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Texans being down 22-6 and 31-10 through the first 3 quarters in those 2 games probably had something to do with those counting stats.
 
From what I've seen thus far, I think Young, Stroud and Richardson will all be legit starting QBs down the road. For Young to have looked great this early, he would have had to have had great OL play and better WR play. Thielen has 1 foot in his football grave, Mingo is more of a project than we had hoped, and the OL has been sketchy. Richardson already has some good offensive talent around him, but Stroud and Young need much better support. Hell, at this point, Young wishes he had Collins, Woods and Dell.
 
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