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Pitt Game Thread

deacon14 said:
I understand that Marucci made some impressive plays at the end that led us to winning the game, and I'm very happy he did. But I'm not sure I understand anyone that is clamoring for him to be the starter moving forward.

Marucci's final stat line was 12/21 for 151 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He rushed the ball 6 times for 9 yards. During his first attempt at a game winning drive, he threw a pretty terrible INT on a first down when we were already nearly in FG range and had plenty of time. If Pitt's QB wasn't an absolute buffoon, he doesn't get a second chance at winning the game and the narrative here is very very different.

Both Griffis and Kern are more than capable of doing what Marucci did on Saturday, which was mostly hand the ball to Claiborne and Ellison. You can argue that the risk-averse run-based offense should be what we do moving forward regardless of which QB it is, but I don't see a meaningful reason that we should do it with Marucci instead of either of the other 2.
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2 Reasons:
I haven't seen any indication any one else can make that GW TD throw,
I haven't seen any sort of Giant Swinging D swag from anyone else.
 
deacon14 said:
I understand that Marucci made some impressive plays at the end that led us to winning the game, and I'm very happy he did. But I'm not sure I understand anyone that is clamoring for him to be the starter moving forward.

Marucci's final stat line was 12/21 for 151 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He rushed the ball 6 times for 9 yards. During his first attempt at a game winning drive, he threw a pretty terrible INT on a first down when we were already nearly in FG range and had plenty of time. If Pitt's QB wasn't an absolute buffoon, he doesn't get a second chance at winning the game and the narrative here is very very different.

Both Griffis and Kern are more than capable of doing what Marucci did on Saturday, which was mostly hand the ball to Claiborne and Ellison. You can argue that the risk-averse run-based offense should be what we do moving forward regardless of which QB it is, but I don't see a meaningful reason that we should do it with Marucci instead of either of the other 2.
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I see the Griffistans are taking this hard.
 
deacon14 said:
I understand that Marucci made some impressive plays at the end that led us to winning the game, and I'm very happy he did. But I'm not sure I understand anyone that is clamoring for him to be the starter moving forward.

Marucci's final stat line was 12/21 for 151 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He rushed the ball 6 times for 9 yards. During his first attempt at a game winning drive, he threw a pretty terrible INT on a first down when we were already nearly in FG range and had plenty of time. If Pitt's QB wasn't an absolute buffoon, he doesn't get a second chance at winning the game and the narrative here is very very different.

Both Griffis and Kern are more than capable of doing what Marucci did on Saturday, which was mostly hand the ball to Claiborne and Ellison. You can argue that the risk-averse run-based offense should be what we do moving forward regardless of which QB it is, but I don't see a meaningful reason that we should do it with Marucci instead of either of the other 2.
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Good post. I don’t really get it either. Understand that people are excited to get the win but Marucci wasn’t good. Guess it doesn’t matter much based on how this season is going though.
 
very much looking forward to a long article from cam lemons about how no, mooch actually wasn't good and griffis is still better if you really look at the tape
 
Sam was extrememly cocky and Clawson was fine with it. His first game freshman year we won at Tulane we was woofing at the crowd at the end of the game.
 
deacon14 said:
I understand that Marucci made some impressive plays at the end that led us to winning the game, and I'm very happy he did. But I'm not sure I understand anyone that is clamoring for him to be the starter moving forward.

Marucci's final stat line was 12/21 for 151 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He rushed the ball 6 times for 9 yards. During his first attempt at a game winning drive, he threw a pretty terrible INT on a first down when we were already nearly in FG range and had plenty of time. If Pitt's QB wasn't an absolute buffoon, he doesn't get a second chance at winning the game and the narrative here is very very different.

Both Griffis and Kern are more than capable of doing what Marucci did on Saturday, which was mostly hand the ball to Claiborne and Ellison. You can argue that the risk-averse run-based offense should be what we do moving forward regardless of which QB it is, but I don't see a meaningful reason that we should do it with Marucci instead of either of the other 2.
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Totally understand that argument, but I feel very differently. Marucci's performance came with barely any preparation, while Griffis had the entire offseason and Kern has gotten significant reps while being at Wake for a very long time. If Grimes actually does his job and makes the catch on the first deep ball, his stat line from Saturday looks a hell of a lot better. He threw one terrible interception, but was mostly excellent in crunch time. And he has the size advantage.

I suspect after watching Saturday's film, FSU is going to try and take away those seam routes that he hit perfectly on the last drive. We should counter that by hitting quick outs, kind of like Pitt did all game with their inexperienced quarterback, screens, and throws to our running backs. But we also need to let him take deep shots early and often. A big PI call can change a drive, but also give Banks and Key chances to make a play.
 
Ok cool I'll just let you guys keep rolling in the vibes and swag I guess. That one throw that Marucci made is almost undoubtedly going to be the highlight of our season, so if you all want to keep rolling him out there solely based on one throw and the fact that our defense and Claiborne won us a game then I guess that's fine.

PhDeac said:
I see the Griffistans are taking this hard.
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lol I'm certainly not one of those, but whatever troll away I guess
 
deacon14 said:
I understand that Marucci made some impressive plays at the end that led us to winning the game, and I'm very happy he did. But I'm not sure I understand anyone that is clamoring for him to be the starter moving forward.

Marucci's final stat line was 12/21 for 151 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He rushed the ball 6 times for 9 yards. During his first attempt at a game winning drive, he threw a pretty terrible INT on a first down when we were already nearly in FG range and had plenty of time. If Pitt's QB wasn't an absolute buffoon, he doesn't get a second chance at winning the game and the narrative here is very very different.

Both Griffis and Kern are more than capable of doing what Marucci did on Saturday, which was mostly hand the ball to Claiborne and Ellison. You can argue that the risk-averse run-based offense should be what we do moving forward regardless of which QB it is, but I don't see a meaningful reason that we should do it with Marucci instead of either of the other 2.
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Griffis and Kern led a grand total of 1 garbage time TD drive in 8 quarters leading into the Pitt game. Even without the game winning drive, Marucci was QB on two scoring drives Saturday against a team whose defense is basically equivalent to VT.
 
wakelaw13 said:
Totally understand that argument, but I feel very differently. Marucci's performance came with barely any preparation, while Griffis had the entire offseason and Kern has gotten significant reps while being at Wake for a very long time. If Grimes actually does his job and makes the catch on the first deep ball, his stat line from Saturday looks a hell of a lot better. He threw one terrible interception, but was mostly excellent in crunch time. And he has the size advantage.
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Marucci has also been here for a very long time (this is year 3) and did so poorly with his QB reps that he was moved to other positions. Maybe this moment of magic will spur him on to massive unforeseen improvement, but I'm not banking on it tbh.
wakelaw13 said:
I suspect after watching Saturday's film, FSU is going to try and take away those seam routes that he hit perfectly on the last drive. We should counter that by hitting quick outs, kind of like Pitt did all game with their inexperienced quarterback, screens, and throws to our running backs. But we also need to let him take deep shots early and often. A big PI call can change a drive, but also give Banks and Key chances to make a play.
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We tried to throw screens to Key at least 3 times that I remember, and we gained about -10 yards on those plays. If Marucci is QB, FSU is probably going to play 8 men in the box and we're going to have a very long day. To be fair, we're going to likely have a very long day regardless of who is playing QB
 
deacdixieboy said:
Griffis and Kern led a grand total of 1 garbage time TD drive in 8 quarters leading into the Pitt game. Even without the game winning drive, Marucci was QB on two scoring drives Saturday against a team whose defense is basically equivalent to VT.
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One of the scoring drives that you are giving Marucci credit for here is:

Incomplete pass (with a penalty)
Claiborne 5 yards
Claiborne 2 yards
Claiborne 18 yards
Marucci pass to Ellison for 5 yards
Banks rush for 7 yards
Claiborne 42 yards TD

The other one was:
Pass to Claiborne for 22 yards + facemask (Marucci's second best throw of the day)
Claiborne 18 yards TD
 
deacon14 said:
One of the scoring drives that you are giving Marucci credit for here is:

Incomplete pass (with a penalty)
Claiborne 5 yards
Claiborne 2 yards
Claiborne 18 yards
Marucci pass to Ellison for 5 yards
Banks rush for 7 yards
Claiborne 42 yards TD

The other one was:
Pass to Claiborne for 22 yards + facemask (Marucci's second best throw of the day)
Claiborne 18 yards TD
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So you'd think that Griffis and Kern could both do that but they didn't. Maybe the big thing is that Marucci just made far fewer mistakes than the other two. Yes, he had one bad INT. They happen. The other was basically the equivalent of a punt on a 3rd and long.
 
deacdixieboy said:
So you'd think that Griffis and Kern could both do that but they didn't. Maybe the big thing is that Marucci just made far fewer mistakes than the other two. Yes, he had one bad INT. They happen. The other was basically the equivalent of a punt on a 3rd and long.
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Also if Fields kept running the route he may have caught it instead of it being an INT
 
deacdixieboy said:
So you'd think that Griffis and Kern could both do that but they didn't. Maybe the big thing is that Marucci just made far fewer mistakes than the other two. Yes, he had one bad INT. They happen. The other was basically the equivalent of a punt on a 3rd and long.
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He didn't make many mistakes because Ruggiero literally wouldn't let him. He was only allowed to throw the ball downfield 3 or 4 times before it was desperation time. And once it was desperation time he threw a horrible pick and then got gifted a second chance.

He threw an INT on nearly 10% of his pass attempts. Griffis is currently sitting at 3.6% in 2023.

If we're going to push for Marucci to start, let's do it because of the vibes and not because we genuinely think he's more talented/capable of leading us to win football games by throwing the ball.
 
deacon14 said:
He didn't make many mistakes because Ruggiero literally wouldn't let him. He was only allowed to throw the ball downfield 3 or 4 times before it was desperation time. And once it was desperation time he threw a horrible pick and then got gifted a second chance.

He threw an INT on nearly 10% of his pass attempts. Griffis is currently sitting at 3.6% in 2023.
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Now add in Griffis' sacks and fumbles.
 
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