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2023-24 Wake Forest Basketball Season - 21-14 (11-9) - KP#29 / NET#43

ironwill24 said:
Agreed but Mitch has been pretty well known to have taken good NIL money this year so he's crossed the line from amateur to semi pro
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...so because he took NIL money and set up his own website to benefit from his name you think those comments are more acceptable?

Really interesting take.
 
1976Deac said:
Yes, if 6 points a game is all you want from a starting center.
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I'd like to get 20 pts and 10 rebs from our center, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I wrote that last year was one of the best examples of playing to someone's strengths that I have ever seen. Let me try to explain it this way - NOT playing to Marsh's strengths would be putting him in iso and running the offense through him. Maybe he would get 4 more pts per game and a few more assists, but he would shoot 35% (instead of 88%) and turn the ball over 4 times per game (instead of 0.4). That would be NOT playing to his strength. I think Forbes and crew absolutely used Marsh perfectly last year given his skillset.
 
I'd be more offended by Marsh criticism if he didn't have a checkered history on the effort/coaching side of things. I don't know why he can't just set basic screens or why he won't stop taking huge hero swipes at blocks when the entire coaching staff is telling him to go straight up, but this isn't some physically-limited player or uncoordinated skinny freshman we're talking about. This is a dude in his 20's entering year 3 who, regardless of his incoming status, should be more effective than he is. And honestly if Efton gets his waiver, this team is legit on the bubble, and Marion develops as a rebounder, he's looking at potentially getting relegated to spot minutes. And that should absolutely not be the case.
 
Carr with 4 blocked shots - very good.

Get Boopie (1-2 weeks), Canka (1-2 weeks) and Monsanto (4-6 weeks???) back, probably in that order.

Add Reid waiver and...definitely can get 20+ wins.
 
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We currently have a poll asking if the voter is a better college quarterback than Griffis, and 68% answered either “yes” or “who isn’t?”

That’s a lot more crass than pointing out that Marsh is “worse” than Efton.
 
ironwill24 said:
People are acting like Marsh is some five star that isn't living up to the hype. He's an unranked project seven footer..... Considering that, I say he's absolutely been a net positive.

Can't wait to rub it in people's faces when he's averaging a double double by senior year
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I'll take that bet.
 
DCDeac said:
I'd be more offended by Marsh criticism if he didn't have a checkered history on the effort/coaching side of things. I don't know why he can't just set basic screens or why he won't stop taking huge hero swipes at blocks when the entire coaching staff is telling him to go straight up, but this isn't some physically-limited player or uncoordinated skinny freshman we're talking about. This is a dude in his 20's entering year 3 who, regardless of his incoming status, should be more effective than he is. And honestly if Efton gets his waiver, this team is legit on the bubble, and Marion develops as a rebounder, he's looking at potentially getting relegated to spot minutes. And that should absolutely not be the case.
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Do we know this to be true or is it an assumption based on the fact that he has not shown the improvement we would like/would expect? I've never seen any indication that Marsh doesn't work hard - in fact, given Forbes' reactions on occasion when he's called out Damari, I'd imagine Marsh wouldn't be starting if he didn't put in the work. Let's face it, there are players every year who work hard and don't improve as much as they want/need to, or we'd never have players on the bench. There is natural instinct that goes into being a successful athlete in every sport - just being tall doesn't make one a good basketball player.
 
Has Bobi Klintman returned?

The roster hand-out at the game yesterday provided a picture of one of the walk-on players as #55 with his bio. A member of Wake's print media must be wishing for Bobi's return because the name provided for #55 was BOBI KLINTMAN.
 
wakegrrl said:
Do we know this to be true or is it an assumption based on the fact that he has not shown the improvement we would like/would expect? I've never seen any indication that Marsh doesn't work hard - in fact, given Forbes' reactions on occasion when he's called out Damari, I'd imagine Marsh wouldn't be starting if he didn't put in the work. Let's face it, there are players every year who work hard and don't improve as much as they want/need to, or we'd never have players on the bench. There is natural instinct that goes into being a successful athlete in every sport - just being tall doesn't make one a good basketball player.
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And it's a well known fact that big men just take longer to develop. Visser looked god awful until his senior year.
 
Re: Marsh, I think on offense (besides rebounding) he's actually okay. Being able to receive those alley-oops is a skill.

He's unplayable because of his defense where he's just constantly targeted and offers no rim protection. Poor rebounding is the unfortunate cherry on top.
 
wakegrrl said:
Do we know this to be true or is it an assumption based on the fact that he has not shown the improvement we would like/would expect? I've never seen any indication that Marsh doesn't work hard - in fact, given Forbes' reactions on occasion when he's called out Damari, I'd imagine Marsh wouldn't be starting if he didn't put in the work. Let's face it, there are players every year who work hard and don't improve as much as they want/need to, or we'd never have players on the bench. There is natural instinct that goes into being a successful athlete in every sport - just being tall doesn't make one a good basketball player.
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Not an assumption, direct info from staff on the court last year. He was MIA for a bit, although if I remember it got downplayed somewhat, but my understanding is he had expectations coming in last year and didn't react well when things weren't going well early. Sounded like Forbes struggled for a bit understanding how to motivate him and that made it into some of his carrot/stick comments on coaching in today's era. To your own point, Marsh has gotten starting opportunities multiple times and lost them. It's not like the staff wanted to put Andrew Carr at the 5 but Forbes was forced to.

And nobody said he should be good because he's tall. To quote someone with practice access, if he cared half as much about the basics as he did dunking he'd have started all year. I appreciate the effort to assume the best in the situation, and he may be absolutely dialed in this year from an effort perspective. I just don't think fans criticizing him (without resorting to personal attacks) deserve to be rebuked.
 
DCDeac said:
Not an assumption, direct info from staff on the court last year. He was MIA for a bit, although if I remember it got downplayed somewhat, but my understanding is he had expectations coming in last year and didn't react well when things weren't going well early. Sounded like Forbes struggled for a bit understanding how to motivate him and that made it into some of his carrot/stick comments on coaching in today's era. To your own point, Marsh has gotten starting opportunities multiple times and lost them. It's not like the staff wanted to put Andrew Carr at the 5 but Forbes was forced to.

And nobody said he should be good because he's tall. To quote someone with practice access, if he cared half as much about the basics as he did dunking he'd have started all year. I appreciate the effort to assume the best in the situation, and he may be absolutely dialed in this year from an effort perspective. I just don't think fans criticizing him (without resorting to personal attacks) deserve to be rebuked.
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I did not have that information, so I appreciate the background.
 
DCDeac said:
Not an assumption, direct info from staff on the court last year. He was MIA for a bit, although if I remember it got downplayed somewhat, but my understanding is he had expectations coming in last year and didn't react well when things weren't going well early. Sounded like Forbes struggled for a bit understanding how to motivate him and that made it into some of his carrot/stick comments on coaching in today's era. To your own point, Marsh has gotten starting opportunities multiple times and lost them. It's not like the staff wanted to put Andrew Carr at the 5 but Forbes was forced to.

And nobody said he should be good because he's tall. To quote someone with practice access, if he cared half as much about the basics as he did dunking he'd have started all year. I appreciate the effort to assume the best in the situation, and he may be absolutely dialed in this year from an effort perspective. I just don't think fans criticizing him (without resorting to personal attacks) deserve to be rebuked.
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The only rebuke is the way a specific poster "talked shit" about a kid.

I don't believe the words used in that specific case are cool. I never call anyone out for simple criticism.
 
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