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Israel Attacked and its Response

myDeaconmyhand said:
I agree with the spirit of your point, but Arabs in this country deserve far more respect and consideration in this country than they are getting, and they have to fight for every inch of it. Why should they all be victims to American ignorance of Palestinian plight?
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sure i agree. as someone adjacent to the ivory tower, i just always cringe a little at the missives passed around inside the ivory tower about stuff like this
 
there’s absolutely a class and education asymmetry in American awareness and support for the Palestinian cause because the average American’s only awareness of foreign events come from major media outlets whose coverage is extremely anti-Arab and biased towards Israel, plus the fact that our last 4 major “wars” have been fought in the Middle East against Muslim forces, so Americans reflexively view Muslim Arabs as enemies of America. Now the Biden Administration in lock step with the ADL in portraying protests for Palestine as Antisemetic supporters of terrorism. It’s goddamn McCarthyism.
 
Liquid Karma said:
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Both letters are shit. Sures saying he will do "everything in his power" not to stand against Israel's "war crimes against and ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people" (he had a typo I corrected) is pretty fucking sick and terrible, even if he'll claim that's not what he meant - he said it. And Sures focusing almost solely on the demand to retract the statement that it was terrorism and ignoring everything else in the letter is weak.

And, on the other hand, stop trying to claim that what happened on Oct 7 wasn't terrorism, and trying to force others to claim the same. It was terrorism.

None of this helps anyone.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
there’s absolutely a class and education asymmetry in American awareness and support for the Palestinian cause because the average American’s only awareness of foreign events come from major media outlets whose coverage is extremely anti-Arab and biased towards Israel, plus the fact that our last 4 major “wars” have been fought in the Middle East against Muslim forces, so Americans reflexively view Muslim Arabs as enemies of America. Now the Biden Administration in lock step with the ADL in portraying protests for Palestine as Antisemetic supporters of terrorism. It’s goddamn McCarthyism.
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Or maybe most Americans remember September 11th.. You know, the largest attack against the homeland in our nation's history.

But sure, blame the media.

And continue to ignore the terrorist shit Hamas published themselves on social media. Fucking terrorist assholes.
 
I think the weaponization of rhetoric is worthy to fight about. We’ve narrowed the definition and usage of the word terrorism in such a way that it’s become propaganda. How else should people fight against that besides rejecting it?
 
What did Palestinians have to do with 9/11?
 
I get people thumbs-upping shit that seems like common sense, but what is commonly believed isn’t always correct or fair. Many things that were common sense 50 years ago or even 5 years ago aren't anymore.
 
MDMH - this is just a sincere observation having followed this thread and your comments.

I know you are very knowledgeable, and extremely passionate about this topic. If there were more folks like you who knew the intricacies, macro, and micro view of this conflict, particularly over the past 15 years or so, then we would be in a much better place.

I think your dismissive tone and combative style are causing a lot of your posts to not hit home the way they could. Perhaps this is intentional because of how passionate you are about it, and you don't really care about the way you're coming across, but even as somebody who agrees with a lot of what you're saying, it can be hard to take in the points you're trying to make in trying to get past the abrasiveness of your posts.

Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but it's crossed my mind enough to at least want to type it out.

I agree with you that this is a serious topic worthy of a lot of discussion and awareness, and I too believe that Israel is committing obvious war crimes being masked behind "the search for Hamas in the Strip and other areas".
 
Is the premise that no Palestinians actually support Hamas and want to destroy Israel ? Because that sounds like total BS.

Also, if anyone is a little fuzzy about whether the October 7 attacks should be condemned and referred to as terrorism, they're obviously not being honest with themselves or are very stupid. And if they're a college professor, they need to have their tenure revoked and their school kicked out of the ACC.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I think your dismissive tone and combative style are causing a lot of your posts to not hit home the way they could.
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Which recent posts of mine are you referring to? I haven’t intended to be abrasive to anyone besides Palma and pinocha and I have stopped responding to both of them
 
Biff Ochocinco Tannen said:
You don't think it's fair to apply it to the 10/7 attacks ? Can't help you.
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I’ve already stated my position on this, but if I have to repeat it - The term “terrorism” is applied very narrowly and with bias such that it’s use serves more as propaganda than description. “Terrorism” as you are attempting to use it only descibes tactics and motivations that you disapprove of as illegitimate based on who is using those tactics and who has that motivation.
 
Meh terrorism is terrorism. Intentionally targeting civilians will always be such. Hamas 10/7 terrorism, Israel bombing yesterday terrorism.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Meh terrorism is terrorism. Intentionally targeting civilians will always be such. Hamas 10/7 terrorism, Israel bombing yesterday terrorism.
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You have to believe that civilians are being intentionally targeted, is the rub. Therefore the usage is completely subjective.
 
WFFaithful said:
How can you justify bombing a refugee camps to kill one person supposedly hiding there?
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On top of that, how can you justify bombing the same camp again after claiming you killed that one person in the first strike?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
You have to believe that civilians are being intentionally targeted, is the rub. Therefore the usage is completely subjective.
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So Hamas honestly mistook a music festival for a military exercise? Those portajohns they were shooting into were clearly some new age bunkers.
 
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