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2023-24 Wake Forest Basketball Season - 21-14 (11-9) - KP#29 / NET#43

Wakeforest22890 said:
Not a lot of changes overall with limited games and Wake not having played but:

KenPom: 59
Torvik: 83
NET: 88
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Is there a reason that Kenpom is so far off of Torvik? I understand that NET is very different in its calculations, but Kenpom and Torvik being 24 spots different seems extreme to me when both are supposed to be predictive in nature.

Do they have significantly different weighting of preseason information?
 
deacon14 said:
Is there a reason that Kenpom is so far off of Torvik? I understand that NET is very different in its calculations, but Kenpom and Torvik being 24 spots different seems extreme to me when both are supposed to be predictive in nature.

Do they have significantly different weighting of preseason information?
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Kenpom rates the offense #45 and the defense #102. Barttorvik rates the offense #47 and the defense #139. The Deacs gave up 75.4 ppg the first five games of the season. They have surrendered 61.5 ppg the past four games. The defensive improvement shows up more on Kenpom model than the Bartorvik model.
 
Afternoon all, just wanted to push our latest edition of the BOTG Pod. Top of the show is Parker Friedrichsen, his 19-point breakout game, his lack of turnovers, and what having another threat on offense means for Wake Forest.

Plus, Boopie Miller, the constant thread on rotation at the five, and Steve Forbes' comments on the game played in the shadows -- the metrics.

Listen on Apple here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boots-on-the-ground-pod/id1704942201?i=1000638397754
And on Spotify here:
 
deacon14 said:
Is there a reason that Kenpom is so far off of Torvik? I understand that NET is very different in its calculations, but Kenpom and Torvik being 24 spots different seems extreme to me when both are supposed to be predictive in nature.

Do they have significantly different weighting of preseason information?
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They have SOME different level on preseason weighting as well as projecting how much transfers/freshmen/recruiting/etc should be weighed from the outset. There was a back and forth that they went through on Twitter where Torvik's original ratings included just everybody getting their waiver approved by the NCAA while I believe KP took a more conservative approach.

If you remove all preseason weighting, we are 96th in adjusted efficiency overall. In other words, priors and weighting are favorable to Wake's position relative to how we've actually performed. The NET boost from this likely reflects the TVI value (boost for "quality" wins based on location and opponent)
 
CHillDeac said:
The Skip Prosser Classic resumes this weekend when Xavier hosts Winthrop. I had no idea the Classic was still a thing? Mark Prosser is the current coach for Winthrop. In 2019 Xavier and Western Carolina met each other the previous time the series was last played. Prosser was then coach for Western Carolina.

https://sports.yahoo.com/scouting-report-xavier-trying-split-184718144.html
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I didn’t realize it was either but happy to see it. For a while I felt like Skip might be pretty angry/disappointed with Wake’s treatment of Dino, but in my weird can’t shake my catholic upbringing thoughts, he sees a kindred spirit in Forbes and he’s rooting for us.
 
TooManyWeapons said:
Man...this week off of no games seems soooooooo long. Is it Monday yet?
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This last month 'seems' like we play once every 7-10 days. I know we had exams one week, but it seems like we have had a few open dates that we didn't schedule anyone. Could have played WSSU this week to fill a void. Especially if it doesn't hurt our NET/KP
 
Some Duke nerd projects that WF is most likely to have 2 or 3 quad 1 wins:

 
awakegirl said:
I didn’t realize it was either but happy to see it. For a while I felt like Skip might be pretty angry/disappointed with Wake’s treatment of Dino, but in my weird can’t shake my catholic upbringing thoughts, he sees a kindred spirit in Forbes and he’s rooting for us.
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Dino did a lot of dishonor to Skip's legacy during and after his time at Wake. Always disappointed me that he didn't seem to learn much from Skip's example.
 
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