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RJKarl said:
As many here know, I have coached 17yos.

As many here know, I have scouted 17yos.

As many here know, I know a reasonable number of HS and college coaches who tell me what their kids look for in a program.

As many here know, I know several well known writers/recruiting people.

You may not like what I say, but what I say comes from decades of experience and access.

The fact that you know none of the above or anything about how recruiting works is evidenced with every one of your posts.
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I can only say Randolph is my first pick for anything he gets a chance to do. He is a winner.
 
It would be nuts to hire Childress as a head coach. I could see assistant coach or associate head coach, but as the top man?
 
DeacLaw05 said:
I'm not going to re-hash all the different ways Dino Gaudio sucked as a head coach. Late season collapses, failures to adjust, inability to coach anything resembling an offense to attack a zone defense--it was all horrible. He out-talented people for a while with Skip's recruits until other, smarter coaches figured out that you throw a little junk defense at Wake Forest and watch them crumble.

We ran an NBA-style offense because that's what the roster we had dictated. The biggest reason we couldn't beat the junk defenses was because we couldn't hit outside shots. Look at the Wofford game - when we couldn't hit anything from outside, Bz started running the same shit.

And please don't ever call Bzz "my new coach." He is Ron Wellman's coach, and Ron Wellman's coach alone. NOBODY wanted Bzz when he was hired amongst our fan base. No one. As I recall, the reactions to the hiring on the old board ranged from "What the Fuck?" to "You've Got to be Fucking Kidding Me."

Bull fucking shit. Many on the boards said you don't fire a guy who went 61-31 over 3 years unless you're damn sure you will get a guy who's better. 90% + of those who wanted Dino gone said they didn't give a shit. Well, reap what you sow mother fucker.

Your argument that no coach would want to come here is asinine, unless you first assume that all basketball coaches are afraid to take a job where there are expectations that you will win games. Coaches don't think that way.
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It's not asinine at all. Look at Alabama before Saban went there. Look at Notre Dame. The national perception was that we fucked Dino over, though there were obvious reasons to justify his firing. Don't think candidates weren't aware of that. The issue wasn't that there were expectations. The issue was that there was a perception that Dino wasn't treated fairly or reasonably.
 
RacerDeac said:
Exactly. I don't think Gaudio should have been the head coach. Interim coach should have been his job. He should have either been gone a year earlier, or a year later, but certainly not 6 months after giving him a contract extension (that never should have happened anyway), and certainly not when Bzz was the candidate to replace him.

I understand the decision to make him head coach and not interim head...it was an emotional time and it made more sense then than it does a year or two down the road. But everything since has been botched. Extension, timing of firing, the hiring of Bzz, the unwavering support of Bzz that makes the Iraqi Information Minister look sane.
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This argument holds no water. If Dino had been named interim coach he would have been hired on a permanent basis after exceeding expectations his first year. We would have had the same result.
 
RJKarl said:
As many here know, I have coached 17yos.

As many here know, I have scouted 17yos.

As many here know, I know a reasonable number of HS and college coaches who tell me what their kids look for in a program.

As many here know, I know several well known writers/recruiting people.

You may not like what I say, but what I say comes from decades of experience and access.

The fact that you know none of the above or anything about how recruiting works is evidenced with every one of your posts.
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Wow...if true, that makes much of what you have to say even worse.
 
The best thing I can say about Randolph Childress is that he is confident enough to know he can be a great coach and smart enough to know he needs a few years to learn how to be a great coach.
 
RJKarl said:
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RJKarl said:
He had a once in a lifetime player and they did well.

I NEVER compared that to [Redacted]. to say i did is a boldfaced lie.

Show me the passage where I said that. Show me where I said McKillop's accomplishment wasn't as good as what [Redacted] did in the WAC.
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McKillop had a once in a lifetime player at Davidson and won an NCAA Tourney game. [Redacted] had a once in a lifetime player (Burks at CU) and made the NIT. McKillop's accomplishments are better than [Redacted]'s in either the MWC or the Big 12 (I don't think he ever coached in the WAC).

keeper said:
How was Dino's program out of control when he was fired? I don't understand the post game comment. Which game? Did he say something wrong on the radio? Please explain.
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I can't believe I find myself agreeing with keeper. But this is dead on. And I don't think anyone has given a legitimate answer to this question yet.

Liquid Karma said:
Not only will he not be named the HC, he won't even be interviewed for the position.
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If logic ruled in Ron Wellman's athletic department I would agree with this. I think it's quite clear at this point that it doesn't. That said, I could see Chill being very successful at WF as the head basketball coach one day. He needs a helluva lot more experience first, though.
 
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RJKarl said:
As many here know, I have coached 17yos.

As many here know, I have scouted 17yos.

As many here know, I know a reasonable number of HS and college coaches who tell me what their kids look for in a program.

As many here know, I know several well known writers/recruiting people.

You may not like what I say, but what I say comes from decades of experience and access.

The fact that you know none of the above or anything about how recruiting works is evidenced with every one of your posts.
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I can think of no better response to this post that putting up the pic of RJ going after the ref at the preseason tourney we played in a couple of years ago. That picture = checkmate.
 
Something about Shaka always reminded me of Chill. I think he had just a few years of experience as an assistant coach (under Oliver Purnell and Billy Donovan?) before taking the VCU job.

Hiring Chill when Bzzzkill leaves would be hideously dangerous and ill-advised, but on some level, I have to admit I'd feel more curious than devastated (as I was after reading Bzz's less-than-stellar resume.)

I :heart: Chill.
 
"McKillop had a once in a lifetime player at Davidson and won an NCAA Tourney game. [Redacted] had a once in a lifetime player (Burks at CU) and made the NIT. McKillop's accomplishments are better than [Redacted]'s in either the MWC or the Big 12 (I don't think he ever coached in the WAC)."

Once again your hatred of [Redacted] either clouds your posts or shows your complete ignorance.

First of Alec Burks is a very nice player, but in no way is he Steph Curry. Steph played 36 mpg his rookie year in the NBA and was the immediate focus of his team's offense. Burks is struggling to get 18 mpg, is a sub and has yet to become anything like a focus on his team.

There isn't a coach or GM in the NBA that wouldn't laugh you out of his office if you tried to compare Steph to Burks.

My bad any comparison is OK as long as it makes [Redacted] look bad.

Next, Curry was the ONLY player of anything close to his level in their conference. McD AAs and 1st round picks are scattered throughout the B12. There's no guarantee that even with Steph would have ever made The Dance if they were in the B12.

You can't extrapolate backwards saying "They made the Elite 8". The may not have been .500 in the B12 and not made the tourney.

Before you lose your mind, here's why. The year before the Elite 8, Davidson lost in the first round of the NCAA. In the after the Elite 8, they lost in the second round of the NIT. During the year of the run to the Elite 8, they only went 6-6 OOC before the NCAA tourney.

During that season they also lost to West Mich, UNCC and the bad NC State.

Steph got hot at the right time and it was great.
 
RJKarl said:
"McKillop had a once in a lifetime player at Davidson and won an NCAA Tourney game. [Redacted] had a once in a lifetime player (Burks at CU) and made the NIT. McKillop's accomplishments are better than [Redacted]'s in either the MWC or the Big 12 (I don't think he ever coached in the WAC)."

Once again your hatred of [Redacted] either clouds your posts or shows your complete ignorance.

First of Alec Burks is a very nice player, but in no way is he Steph Curry. Steph played 36 mpg his rookie year in the NBA and was the immediate focus of his team's offense. Burks is struggling to get 18 mpg, is a sub and has yet to become anything like a focus on his team.

There isn't a coach or GM in the NBA that wouldn't laugh you out of his office if you tried to compare Steph to Burks.

My bad any comparison is OK as long as it makes [Redacted] look bad.

Next, Curry was the ONLY player of anything close to his level in their conference. McD AAs and 1st round picks are scattered throughout the B12. There's no guarantee that even with Steph would have ever made The Dance if they were in the B12.

You can't extrapolate backwards saying "They made the Elite 8". The may not have been .500 in the B12 and not made the tourney.

Before you lose your mind, here's why. The year before the Elite 8, Davidson lost in the first round of the NCAA. In the after the Elite 8, they lost in the second round of the NIT. During the year of the run to the Elite 8, they only went 6-6 OOC before the NCAA tourney.

During that season they also lost to West Mich, UNCC and the bad NC State.

Steph got hot at the right time and it was great.
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The man does know his hoops...:thumbsup:
 
mothersodear said:
Something about Shaka always reminded me of Chill. I think he had just a few years of experience as an assistant coach (under Oliver Purnell and Billy Donovan?) before taking the VCU job.

Hiring Chill when Bzzzkill leaves would be hideously dangerous and ill-advised, but on some level, I have to admit I'd feel more curious than devastated (as I was after reading Bzz's less-than-stellar resume.)

I :heart: Chill.
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+1, except for the hideously dangerous part. It would be largely ill-advised but at this point I'll try anything. Chill inspires confidence and would restore so much goodwill. Of course even he could squander it with more losibg seasons. So he does need more "seasoning."

Did Wellman give Frank Johnson a look when he hired Bz? Who knows.
 
In general, I think it's a bad idea to hire past greats as coaches, especially head coaches.
 
DeacDaddy said:
+1, except for the hideously dangerous part. It would be largely ill-advised but at this point I'll try anything. Chill inspires confidence and would restore so much goodwill. Of course even he could squander it with more losibg seasons. So he does need more "seasoning."

Did Wellman give Frank Johnson a look when he hired Bz? Who knows.[/QUOTE]

The question is did Frank want to coach rather than stay around the NBA.
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ChrisL68 said:
I think hiring a feel good basketball alum with no coaching experience at any level to be an ACC head coach is an incredibly risky move with a high likelihood of failure.

People joke about Wellman putting his job on the line with hires, but we would literally be moving into that territory.

Childress could end up being a great coach, but hiring somebody with no coaching experience at any level to be a major conference head coach make the Bzzz hire look like a good move.
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I disagree. NOTHING is going to "make the Bzzz hire look like a good move." At the risk of agreeing with RJ, hiring Childress might work. It would be risky. It's not the route I would go as AD, but at least the fan base could understand the decision. And it would certainly be smarter than anything else RW's done with the basketball program in the last 2 years.

Ron, If that's what you're going to do, please don't wait. Do it soon. April 2012 would be good...
 
At this point, it seems rj has more coaching experience than Childress. Hiring Childress without any previous coaching experience to clean up Bzz's mess would be a disaster. Limited chance of success and near guarantee that his legacy would be tarnished.
 
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