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Conference Realignment Thread: New B1G divisions

Maztal said:
Wake Forest has never really come close to moving down from Division I athletics. Georgia Tech has.

and lol @ thinking FSU and Clemson are going to bail. That is almost as hilarious as GT fans thinking that the Big Ten wants them.
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vadimivich said:
Wake Forest fans commenting on anyone saving a program from obscurity (which is where WFU is headed, fairly or unfairly, if the ACC breaks up) is hilarious. You guys should be on your knees every night praying that this conference holds together - the "good riddance FSU" quotes here are shocking. WTF do you think is going to happen if they and Clemson bail?
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The ACC would likely fall in the conference rankings from 5th to... 5th. Seriously, even without FSU and Clemson the ACC is a much more viable league than the Big East.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Not that this is really directly related, but the SEC is never going to take Clemson, FSU, or Tech because Kentucky, UF, South Carolina, and Georgia band together to block any new teams coming in from the state. That voting bloc won't be broken IMO.

So that leaves Clemson and FSU trying to get into the Big 12. I don't see why any conference besides the SEC or Big 12 would want Georgia Tech and the Big 10 definitely doesn't.
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That little pact worked before Mizzou and A&M.....it will be interesting to see how many votes are needed to block admisssion now. And there is always a chance, albeit a small one, that the SEC would force in Clemson and FSU, rather than letting them go to the Big XII with GT. The Big XII talks would have to gain actual legitimacy, but I doubt the SEC would want that area opened up to the Big XII.
 
The ACC in that region is more of a threat than a bastardized Big 12.
 
Anything related to the "Big 4" is an inherently antiquated ACC scapegoat. Name the last time that a major ACC decision benefited Wake or State in basketball. If the idea were to preserve the Big 4 (and go ahead and throw in UVA) then we would be the go to round robin teams in basketball, still have our annual football rivalry games, and VT would not have been added since it watered down the basketball recruits going to Wake and (until the last few years) State. VT and Miami were brought in to keep Clemson, GT and FSU happy in the sense of having class A competition and all five have completely fucked that up.

Non NC schools bitch about the Big 4 preferential treatment, State and Wake bitch about the preferential treatment shown to UNC and Duke, UNC bitches about the preferential treatment shown to Duke, and Duke bitches about the preferential treatment shown to UNC. Unless your school is winning every trophy with ease or can make a legitimate case that it has been treated unfairly, just shut the fuck up about the ACC not giving you your due.
 
And UNC and Duke, like it or not, bring in huge basketball revenues to the conference which they share. Does anybody think the TV package would be nearly as attractive without UNC and Duke basketball. They are more of a national name brand than GT or FSU football.
 
The Stig said:
Anything related to the "Big 4" is an inherently antiquated ACC scapegoat. Name the last time that a major ACC decision benefited Wake or State in basketball. If the idea were to preserve the Big 4 (and go ahead and throw in UVA) then we would be the go to round robin teams in basketball, still have our annual football rivalry games, and VT would not have been added since it watered down the basketball recruits going to Wake and (until the last few years) State. VT and Miami were brought in to keep Clemson, GT and FSU happy in the sense of having class A competition and all five have completely fucked that up.

Non NC schools bitch about the Big 4 preferential treatment, State and Wake bitch about the preferential treatment shown to UNC and Duke, UNC bitches about the preferential treatment shown to Duke, and Duke bitches about the preferential treatment shown to UNC. Unless your school is winning every trophy with ease or can make a legitimate case that it has been treated unfairly, just shut the fuck up about the ACC not giving you your due.
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Extra penalties for Clemson tacked on by the ACC, led by UNC......when the roles were recently reversed, UNC miraculously avoided the extra penalties. There......there's your unfair treatment :couch:
 
Comcast and TWC already have contractual agreements with the BTN defining carriage rates nationally.

Anways, the bigger issue is that the discontent among the football schools in the ACC is very real, and a very real threat to the conference. Pretending otherwise is just lying to yourself. And it's not just FSU.
 
vadimivich said:
Comcast and TWC already have contractual agreements with the BTN defining carriage rates nationally.

Anways, the bigger issue is that the discontent among the football schools in the ACC is very real, and a very real threat to the conference. Pretending otherwise is just lying to yourself. And it's not just FSU.
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You don't think TWC or Comcast would balk if the Big 10 added Wake Forest and demanded .88 per subscriber in NC?

Alot of the problem is that the football schools in the ACC don't produce the level of performance that supports big football dollars. That isn't the ACC's fault. FSU is 2nd fiddle to UF. Ga beats GT every year. etc, etc, etc.
 
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Swofford is the commissioner because of the "Big 4", so that's item #1. No way that incompetent buffoon would be running the conference except for the 5 schools that back him in lockstep.

Also - this new TV deal is a disaster largely because the basketball schools wanted to guarantee national ESPN coverage of every hoops game (which they got, at the price of selling away all Tier 3 rights).
 
vadimivich said:
Swofford is the commissioner because of the "Big 4", so that's item #1. No way that incompetent buffoon would be running the conference except for the 5 schools that back him in lockstep.

Also - this new TV deal is a disaster largely because the basketball schools wanted to guarantee national ESPN coverage of every hoops game (which they got, at the price of selling away all Tier 3 rights).
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The tier 3 rights just aren't that valuable for the schools in question. If they were, those games wouldn't be on ESPN3 in the first place. The big loser in that is probably Duke and UNC, who could market their tier 3 basketball games for more than FSU could market the Savannah State football game.
 
I guess what I don't get about this thread (and ones I see at the UNC and Duke forums) is that every poster from Clemson, FSU and GT explains that their fanbases are unhappy. The response is "STFU, you shouldn't be". It's like having a girlfriend who tells you she's unhappy all the time, you tell her why she shouldn't be but don't change anything and then one day you are stunned when she leaves you. It's just dumb.

If all the football schools are unhappy ... maybe the league should take a serious look at what needs to be done to make them happy. Or it should just accept becoming the Big East 2.0.
 
ChrisL68 said:
The tier 3 rights just aren't that valuable for the schools in question. If they were, those games wouldn't be on ESPN3 in the first place. The big loser in that is probably Duke and UNC, who could market their tier 3 basketball games for more than FSU could market the Savannah State football game.
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UNC and Duke aren't stupid - the national coverage ESPN provides of every basketball game is far more valuable for them in the long run. Look at Kansas, who makes a ton on Tier 3 rights, but struggles to get nearly as much national exposure despite being a "brand name" in hoops.
 
DiegoTiger said:
Extra penalties for Clemson tacked on by the ACC, led by UNC......when the roles were recently reversed, UNC miraculously avoided the extra penalties. There......there's your unfair treatment :couch:
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1) What year did that happen?
2) How does that support the Big 4 theory when it benefited UNC and the other 3 schools griped about it?

You want unfair treatment? How about multiple ACC basketball championships taken away from Wake by officiating (aka Wake not cheating for the advantage like Clemson's punishment). Every school can lay claim to something being unfair from their point of view. Unless it is something that unbiased people can say "Yeah, that was a shitty move." then it is nigh impossible to prove that it was unfair.
 
Even little things like the ACC Tournament and the ACC CG both being played in the state of NC rub people the wrong way, even if you can make good, objective cases for why they are located there. Lefty drove around the state of NC with the ACCT trophy on the hood of his car for a reason.

Look, I grew up in NC as the son of UNC alumni. I chose to go to GT because I wanted a school involved with ACC athletics. I understand a lot of the reasoning from both sides. But the cold reality is that the wedge between the basketball schools and the football schools has gotten bigger and bigger and it's going to blow this conference to pieces if it isn't addressed, and soon.
 
vadimivich said:
Even little things like the ACC Tournament and the ACC CG both being played in the state of NC rub people the wrong way, even if you can make good, objective cases for why they are located there. Lefty drove around the state of NC with the ACCT trophy on the hood of his car for a reason.

Look, I grew up in NC as the son of UNC alumni. I chose to go to GT because I wanted a school involved with ACC athletics. I understand a lot of the reasoning from both sides. But the cold reality is that the wedge between the basketball schools and the football schools has gotten bigger and bigger and it's going to blow this conference to pieces if it isn't addressed, and soon.
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The best case is logic. Using the current ACC footpad, BC to Greensboro is 777 miles and Miami to Greensboro is 800 miles. Using the upcoming footpad, Syracuse to Charlotte is 727 miles and Miami to Charlotte is 735. NC is the exact middle of the conference which makes an easier pull for all the fanbases to attend.

If this was 1990, then I think your argument would hold more water. The fact is, nearly all of the recent ACC changes have happened to accommodate the football schools at the expense of the basketball schools.
 
Vad,

The ACC Men's BB tournament has been in Atlanta, Tampa, and DC and struggled (some places more than others).

The ACC FB Championship was just recently moved to Charlotte because fans of teams like yours didn't show up.

Conjuring up memories from 20 or 30 years ago just doesn't support your argument.
 
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