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Paul Ryan: Rape is just a "method of conception"

The Supreme Court has held that the right to an abortion is protected up to the point of fetal viability and, after the point of viability, restrictions can be placed on abortion only so long as the life/health of the woman are not compromised. So somebody please explain to me again why a Vice-Presidential candidate's view on rape/incest abortions matters? It's not like he could ever cast the tie-breaking vote on any abortion bill of real consequence on this point. Even if he would vote to limit abortion after viability in cases of rape/incest, the woman would, under the constitution, have 25 weeks (or so) to decide whether to have an abortion and, if her life/health were at risk, she could have one after viability regardless of the method of conception.
 
I really don't think this election is about social conservatism. I'm sure the DNC will try to focus on that but I'm not sure America is buying.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
I really don't think this election is about social conservatism. I'm sure the DNC will try to focus on that but I'm not sure America is buying.
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Never underestimate the stupidly of someone like Todd Akin bringing social issues front and center. In the words of rednecks everywhere: Get a brain morans! Go USA!
 
Ball State Deac said:
He didn't in that interview, but he does believe in a distinction. He didn't even address what sort of burdens raising a child that is the product of rape could impose and the psychological issues that could result.

Also, he lacks a uterus, so he should pretty much STFU on this topic. My view on abortion is that it is basically up to the woman. It is her body and I can't control what someone does with their body.
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BSD, this is a pretty ridiculous position to take. That would be like me saying, as a veteran, that anyone who didn't serve in the military needs to just STFU on national defense issues. We're all entitled to an opinion, and we're all entitled to express those opinions, regardless of the political issue.
 
DCDeac said:
Exactly. Like McCain before him, the RNC speech makes him look like just another sell-out to whatever the party commands him to be. Just like McCain's moderate views disappeared, so did Ryan's "straight-forward honesty" with party-lines like "Obama's gutting medicaid" and "Obama rejected Simpson Bowles" just as he himself did.

I guess at some point you have to agree to be at the ass-end of the human centipede if you eventually want to be at the front.
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That last line nailed it.
 
PhDeac said:
What is an issue? That he believes a woman can get pregnant from rape?
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I'm kinda with you here Ph. This clip def doesn't make him look good but he mixes up his words in a way that it's hard to know what he means. I'm pro-choice but this clip isn't as bad as I thought it would be. When I read some headlines about it and some comments I was expecting a total disaster. He seems more like a bumbling loon than a pro-life nut bag.
 
Ball State Deac said:
Never underestimate the stupidly of someone like Todd Akin bringing social issues front and center. In the words of rednecks everywhere: Get a brain morans! Go USA!
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I had never heard of the guy before he inserted his foot in his mouth. I still do not believe the national election will be determined by demonizing social conservatives. They are always demonized. It's the economy. Just that simple. Are Americans willing to give Bzz four more years to get us to the NIT?
 
DirkTheDeac said:
I had never heard of the guy before he inserted his foot in his mouth. I still do not believe the national election will be determined by demonizing social conservatives. They are always demonized. It's the economy. Just that simple. Are Americans willing to give Bzz four more years to get us to the NIT?
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It's not that simple, but you Pubs wish it was. As I mentioned previously, elections are based on likeability. Unless there is an extremely bad economic change for most Americans in the next two months, which is unlikely, it will come down to who is more likeable. Once again, look at the last 30 years:

Reagan>Carter
Reagan>Mondale
Bush>Dukakis (just shows how unlikeable Dukakis was)
Clinton>Bush
Clinton>Dole
Bush>Gore
Bush>Kerry
Obama>McCain
Obama>Romney

Hard to argue that anyone on the right side had a likeability with the masses more than the guy who won. Romney has a mountain to climb, because at present, Obama is better liked by the general population.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
I had never heard of the guy before he inserted his foot in his mouth. I still do not believe the national election will be determined by demonizing social conservatives. They are always demonized. It's the economy. Just that simple. Are Americans willing to give Bzz four more years to get us to the NIT?
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(In Unison): NO!
 
Skydog Deac said:
It's not that simple, but you Pubs wish it was. As I mentioned previously, elections are based on likeability. Unless there is an extremely bad economic change for most Americans in the next two months, which is unlikely, it will come down to who is more likeable. Once again, look at the last 30 years:

Reagan>Carter
Reagan>Mondale
Bush>Dukakis (just shows how unlikeable Dukakis was)
Clinton>Bush
Clinton>Dole
Bush>Gore
Bush>Kerry
Obama>McCain
Obama>Romney

Hard to argue that anyone on the right side had a likeability with the masses more than the guy who won. Romney has a mountain to climb, because at present, Obama is better liked by the general population.
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Feast your eyes on this ABC poll: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...water-for-romney-a-faint-favorability-bounce/

Enjoy.
 
Skydog Deac said:
I will be feasting my eyes on the November election. If you think in the end that Romney will be seen as more likeable than Obama, then there is nothing I can do to convince you. I don't really think you think that, but you would never admit it.
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It doesn't matter what I think. I have one vote. It's the other 60 million likely voters that think Obama sucks that you should worry about.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
It doesn't matter what I think. I have one vote. It's the other 60 million likely voters that think Obama sucks that you should worry about.
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I think polls at this point are useless, but evidently you don't. So this from your quoted article: "Among all Americans, 40 percent now see Romney favorably, 47 percent unfavorably". Yep, sounds like a winner to me.
 
Obama is still up in favorability after a week of getting shit on live on national TV?

That's pretty good.
 
Skydog Deac said:
I think polls at this point are useless, but evidently you don't. So this from your quoted article: "Among all Americans, 40 percent now see Romney favorably, 47 percent unfavorably". Yep, sounds like a winner to me.
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The problem with that is it doesn't matter what "all Americans" think... it's the people who get off their ass and are likely to vote that matters. Carville thinks you guys have a serious problem. And he doesn't think likeabiliy is going to matter a bit. Of course, Carville could be lying when he says Romney is up 15 points with independents to fire up the Democratic base. That's a possibility. But we'll find out soon enough. The polls will radically change in a few weeks one way or the other.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
The problem with that is it doesn't matter what "all Americans" think... it's the people who get off their ass and are likely to vote that matters. Carville thinks you guys have a serious problem. And he doesn't think likeabiliy is going to matter a bit. Of course, Carville could be lying when he says Romney is up 15 points with independents to fire up the Democratic base. That's a possibility. But we'll find out soon enough. The polls will radically change in a few weeks one way or the other.
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I mostly agree with you, except that you are buying anything Carville is selling. Everything he says is calculated.
 
Skydog Deac said:
It's not that simple, but you Pubs wish it was. As I mentioned previously, elections are based on likeability. Unless there is an extremely bad economic change for most Americans in the next two months, which is unlikely, it will come down to who is more likeable. Once again, look at the last 30 years:

Reagan>Carter
Reagan>Mondale
Bush>Dukakis (just shows how unlikeable Dukakis was)
Clinton>Bush
Clinton>Dole
Bush>Gore
Bush>Kerry
Obama>McCain
Obama>Romney

Hard to argue that anyone on the right side had a likeability with the masses more than the guy who won. Romney has a mountain to climb, because at present, Obama is better liked by the general population.
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If your likability factor is key to getting elected president, then Mrs. Clinton is up shit creek without a paddle in 2016.
 
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