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Bball Recruiting Megathread: Devin Mitchell on campus

Man the anti-anti-Bzz comments are really clogging up this thread. LET'S KEEP THIS ABOUT RECRUITING PLEASE>!???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111?!!
 
RacerDeac said:
Man the anti-anti-Bzz comments are really clogging up this thread. LET'S KEEP THIS ABOUT RECRUITING PLEASE>!???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111?!!
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Wahey! Somebody spotted the hypocrisy in all of this. I also notice how 88Deac has twice not taken any offense to the number of posts on this thread that aren't about recruiting but DO defend [Redacted]. Those are cool, I guess.
 
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We have arguably the worst D-I coach in the nation (certainly the worst major conference coach) and we are supposed to pin our hopes on the future, yet in every valid metric, he is slipping further behind our competition. Since we do not have wins and (blow out) losses to gauge his failures, all we have is recruiting rankings.

Our highest hopes are mediocrity until he is gone.
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This is the most difficult part. We have no measurable cliff edge from which to hang from. As a fan I think we are all dying for a glimmer of hope, and there is none to be visibly seen. Wins/Losses? Returning Players? Recruiting Rankings? We basically have to trust that Bz has an innate ability to prove all historical measures of success wrong, despite the evidence that at every stop along the way he has failed to do this. It is a tough pill to swallow when you have supported (or consider yourself a part of) a program that has had massive national exposure and success over the past 2 decades. High Major teams are rarely built with under the radar recruits. Tim Duncan is the exception and not the rule. 3 stars who become big time players are so rare that if you go that route you have no room for error. Woods and Walker proved that you can miss with a 5 star, but the odds are still pretty good that if we are bringing in highly rated basketball recruits that we will become a good basketball team.

Basketball is simply too exposed of a sport for too many high major capable players to slip through the cracks. I am hoping for the best, but the outlook is tough right now. Hopefully Overton are McClinton are sleepers (I have liked some of what I have seen from McClinton) but we are fooling ourselves if we continue to bring in 3 stars and our rivals are bringing in more highly recruited players. In the end we will be playing at a severe disadvantage.
 
I wouldn't call GMc a sleeper. He is a 4-star on ESPN and Scout. He is the #16 SF on ESPN and the #21 SF on Scout and is basically a fringe top 100 player and could still end up in there. Not a knock your socks off recruit, especially when you consider he is from Winston and grew up a Wake fan, but still wouldn't call 4-stars fringe 100 guys "sleepers". He was actually top 60 in the nation overall on ESPN and Scout 12 months ago and fell down the rankings with an injury. MO definitely fits the sleeper bill though.
 
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I've asked about four or five national writers what the difference between a guy ranked #40 and one ranked number #120, they laughed or said something like "I don't know".

There is a big difference between the Top 25 or so and others but when you get to #40 or 50 and higher, it's much of a crapshoot.
 
Well there is a big difference between guys like GMc and MO though. McClinton had offers from Louisville, NC State, GT, Mizzou, VT, Miami. He was coveted by a number of high major programs.

MO is a sleeper. At the point where we got him we were by far the best program to offer him, seeing something in him that other high majors didn't see. I mean that is not surprising given he was around our 5th choice at SG. He seems like a good kid and hopefully he can do that one thing really well as a frosh (shoot 3's) and he will have an important role on the team.
 
RJKarl said:
I've asked about four or five national writers what the difference between a guy ranked #40 and one ranked number #120, they laughed or said something like "I don't know".

There is a big difference between the Top 25 or so and others but when you get to #40 or 50 and higher, it's much of a crapshoot.
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it's funny how recruiting rankings don't matter when you're not getting good recruits. I'll remind of you this statement the next time we get a 40 or 50th ranked player. Or maybe you can just tell me now what the difference is between CMM and some fringe 3* PG, because it's really just a crapshoot, right?
 
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I've said the same thing over and over.

I haven't seen enough of Overton to say anything. There is one big difference. CMM went form 2* to 4* his senior year. Going fomr 2* to Top 100 is very, very difficult.
 
One other point about Overton that may make him a little better than his ranking number is the statement from his father that he wasn't a big fan of AAU ball. I suspect that kept Miles from playing a lot of the AAU tournaments. Those are the places where a lot of the ratings services get their information. If he wasn't there, he didn't get seen and didn't get any ranking "points." Gotta think his dad has a better basis from which to judge basketball coaches than the average recruit's father.
 
Just curious, where would you rank this year's freshmen recruiting class at Wake overall? I'm talking about when they came in, not after they got here flourished, flopped or did about as expected. What recruiting classes do you put ahead of this class led by CMM and Moto? I think it is probably pretty easily top 10 overall at Wake. Not top 5, but definitely in the next 5, and probably closer to #10.
 
88Deac said:
Just curious, where would you rank this year's freshmen recruiting class at Wake overall? I'm talking about when they came in, not after they got here flourished, flopped or did about as expected. What recruiting classes do you put ahead of this class led by CMM and Moto? I think it is probably pretty easily top 10 overall at Wake. Not top 5, but definitely in the next 5, and probably closer to #10.
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In the last 10 years alone this is only the 7th best recruiting class. To think it's top 10 all time is far off base. It's possibly top 25, but I'm sure there are many great recruiting classes in our history that I'm unaware of.

2002, 2003 (CP3, nuff said) 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010

In the last 10 years we've had 16 four star recruits and 3 five star recruits according to scout.
 
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88Deac said:
Just curious, where would you rank this year's freshmen recruiting class at Wake overall? I'm talking about when they came in, not after they got here flourished, flopped or did about as expected. What recruiting classes do you put ahead of this class led by CMM and Moto? I think it is probably pretty easily top 10 overall at Wake. Not top 5, but definitely in the next 5, and probably closer to #10.
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Statsheet.com has the RSCI rankings for Wake recruits going back to 1998, which I believe is the advent of RSCI. It includes some fringe T100 guys with +100.

Looking at it you will quickly notice the 2012 class coming in is definitely behind 2010, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, and 1998 classes. Then there are still other classes that would be debatable as better coming in. Like 2009 we had #39 overall in Ari and CJ who wasn't even a fringe T100 guy. It was only 2 guys but one of them was T40. Tough to judge if that is better than a couple of low end T100s and a handful of maybe fringe guys and then a couple of total sleepers.
 
88Deac said:
Just curious, where would you rank this year's freshmen recruiting class at Wake overall? I'm talking about when they came in, not after they got here flourished, flopped or did about as expected. What recruiting classes do you put ahead of this class led by CMM and Moto? I think it is probably pretty easily top 10 overall at Wake. Not top 5, but definitely in the next 5, and probably closer to #10.
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You're delusional. ESPN ranks our 2012 class 23rd nationally, Scout leaves us out of the top 25, and Rivals leaves us out of the top 30. Based solely on recruiting rankings, the 2012 class is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt worse than the 2010 (McKie an co.), 2008 (AT&T), 2002 (Williams, Gray), and 1998 (ABCDE) classes, and that's only as far back as the RSCI goes. The 2007 (JJ and Teague), 2006 (Skeen, etc.), and 2003 (CP3 and co.) classes should also go ahead of it, and we haven't even reached the Childress/RoRo/Owens or Guy Morgan classes, or plenty of others from before my time.

Edit: Add the ROK class (1997?) to the list, as I recall him being a stud and we had what we thought were some solid complementary pieces in Griffin, Arinze, and the bigs.
 
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Posts like that are the reason I continue to complain about Bzz on this precious tacked recruiting thread. You all are actively lowering the bar with your attitudes. Stop accepting this recruiting and coaching as normal. It's not. We're anonymous here, there is no point in being polite. I don't see the purpose in treating this board as if it's some dinner discussion had at a coaches house, where we all need to watch our tongue and just say nice things. We've all paid our dues by going to this school and watching these teams break our hearts and underachieve and flame out every fucking year. We've earned the right to tell the truth, it's our school.
 
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Any news on the Mitchell front? Curious how the Overton commit/loss of Reed is going to affect us with him
 
I personally would not put 2007 or 2006 ahead of 2012 class. I very much liken the 2012 class to the 2006 class and like both of them very much. The 2007 class drops a bit, perhaps unfairly, because there were only 3. JJ and Teague were probably a bit higher than CMM and Moto, but the numbers put this class well ahead of 2007 in my mind. I don't think ROK was any more highly regarded than CMM, but the rest of the 2012 class clearly outweighs the ROK class. I personally love the Rodney/Trelonnie class as they put us back on the map.
 
88Deac said:
I personally would not put 2007 or 2006 ahead of 2012 class. I very much liken the 2012 class to the 2006 class and like both of them very much. The 2007 class drops a bit, perhaps unfairly, because there were only 3. JJ and Teague were probably a bit higher than CMM and Moto, but the numbers put this class well ahead of 2007 in my mind. I don't think ROK was any more highly regarded than CMM, but the rest of the 2012 class clearly outweighs the ROK class. I personally love the Rodney/Trelonnie class as they put us back on the map.
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That makes literally no sense. JJ and Jeff were top 10 at their position and Gary Clark would be the 3rd highest ranked recruit in this class. In 2006 we had 3 top 100, 4 star recruits.
 
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2007 we had 2 top 60 players and a fringe T100 guy. Definitely a better class. 2006 is even better with 2 top 60 players and 2 fringe T100 guys.

Our main problem since 2003 has been either bad luck or bad fits or bad evaluations depending on how you want to look at it with our T100 recruits. We've recruited exceptionally well based on rankings but look at the bust/non-bust ratio for our T100 recruits. Note: I include guys like Skeen as a bust because he was a bust for us, even though he ended up being a very good college player.

Non-busts:
1. McKie
2. AFA
3. JJ
4. JT
5. DWeave
6. CP

Busts:
1. Tabb
2. JTT
3. Carson
4. Ari
5. Ty
6. TWoods
7. Skeen
8. Gurley
9. KSwinton
10. Ingram

ETA: between 1998-2003 every T100 recruit was non-bust:

1. EWill
2. JGray
3. Trent
4. Levy
5. Vytas
6. Hicks
7. Songaila
8. Dawson
9. Antwan Scott
 
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I like the kid. It's the remnants of jtt. I call it the jtt effect. Coax a kid who can make 5 mistakes in one possession and think he's a superstar for 12 months and Doug overton looks like bo Derek 1980 walking out of the ocean
 
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