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Email from Ron and Jim

Hahaha. I'm trying to think of a situation in which a rival school had players suspended and people here said "wow, the coach is taking responsibility for player discipline".
 
The only problem that I have with this letter is that it's a complete waste of time. Nobody is arguing that these guys shouldn't have been suspended. I'm not embarrassed by them, I'm embarrassed with the product on the field.
 
PhDeac said:
Hahaha. I'm trying to think of a situation in which a rival school had players suspended and people here said "wow, the coach is taking responsibility for player discipline".
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It would probably be much easier to think of times we've derided teams like Clemson or UNC who either don't suspend their players, or only suspend them (for the same infractions) for half games against cupcake teams. Since you seem to be so knowledgeable on the subject though, why don't you explain to me why I'm supposed to be upset at the coaching staff for this? Just what is it that they did wrong, besides lose to Maryland and Duke?
 
DeaconCav06 said:
The only problem that I have with this letter is that it's a complete waste of time. Nobody is arguing that these guys shouldn't have been suspended. I'm not embarrassed by them, I'm embarrassed with the product on the field.
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Well said.
 
The letter seems like a crappy excuse for what we are putting on the football field (and the basketball court to some degree). I respect the way we handled the situation (as opposed to sweeping it under the rug), but having said that, it is time to win some freaking football and basketball games. Anybody can have kids that play hard and represent the school in an appropriate manner - then go out and get beat by 40 every game. The key is to WIN GAMES, THE RIGHT WAY. Doing that is impressive. The last 3 years in bball and the last couple of seasons in football pretty much the opposite of WINNING THE RIGHT WAY.
 
I also think that this letter just really cements in my mind that Ron Wellman is completely out of touch with the fanbase. Obviously, I don't like the Buzz hire, but I've never been a Wellman Out guy. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe he just isn't qualified to handle a fan base that is no longer willing to accept LOWF and has had a taste of success.
 
DeaconCav06 said:
The only problem that I have with this letter is that it's a complete waste of time. Nobody is arguing that these guys shouldn't have been suspended. I'm not embarrassed by them, I'm embarrassed with the product on the field.
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Exactly. Of course we need to follow rules. We don't have to keep talking about it. We can do that when we win. We should just suck quietly.
 
Why when I read emails from Ron do I always feel like I am back in high school listening to a lecture from my mother, in which she tries to tell me something profound, without ever saying anything I don't already know.

It's not a horrible email by horrible WFU email standards. It's just a lot of "trust us, we have this covered" bullshit. It's also like they are answering a question they know the answer to in lieu of the question that's on the test. I don't care who at WFU does or does not smoke weed (or gets booted or suspended for doing so). I just want someone in charge of WFU sports to be honest and not say things that seem to be a perfect blend of non-substantive, condescending, inconsistent gibberish.
 
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91deac said:
The letter seems like a crappy excuse for what we are putting on the football field (and the basketball court to some degree). I respect the way we handled the situation (as opposed to sweeping it under the rug), but having said that, it is time to win some freaking football and basketball games. Anybody can have kids that play hard and represent the school in an appropriate manner - then go out and get beat by 40 every game. The key is to WIN GAMES, THE RIGHT WAY. Doing that is impressive. The last 3 years in bball and the last couple of seasons in football pretty much the opposite of WINNING THE RIGHT WAY.
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What is telling to me is that we get all of this "Winning the right way" crap out of the AD, and yet what we get is losing the wrong way. It would be different if we were winning and had bad seeds, but we are losing with the kind of student athletes that we purport to disdain...We are an example of how not to do it.

1)Win: Good Kids: Preferred
2)Win: Bad Kids: Not preferred, but understandable and hopefully correctable
3)Lose: Good Kids: Understandable, but not preferred
4)Lose: Bad Kids: Not Preferred, not understandable.

We are in the last category, but our AD would have us beleive we are in the 2-3 category.
 
Sgt Hulka said:
What is telling to me is that we get all of this "Winning the right way" crap out of the AD, and yet what we get is losing the wrong way. It would be different if we were winning and had bad seeds, but we are losing with the kind of student athletes that we purport to disdain...We are an example of how not to do it.

1)Win: Good Kids: Preferred
2)Win: Bad Kids: Not preferred, but understandable and hopefully correctable
3)Lose: Good Kids: Understandable, but not preferred
4)Lose: Bad Kids: Not Preferred, not understandable.

We are in the last category, but our AD would have us beleive we are in the 2-3 category.
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That's a pretty blanket statement. Like I posted earlier, we knew that football players smoked weed before this. Was their ability to not get caught what made them "good kids"? Seems to me that many of you are taking one week of bad press and running with it. The only reason the issue keeps getting brought up and stretched out is because we're losing, not because everyone is so upset that 5 or 6 players all smoked weed at a party.
 
Kent said:
Why when I read emails from Ron do I always feel like I am back in high school listening to a lecture from my mother, in which she tries to tell me something profound, without ever saying anything I don't already know.

It's not a horrible email by horrible WFU email standards. It's just a lot of "trust us, we have this covered" bullshit. It's also like they are answering a question they know the answer to in lieu of the question that's on the test. I don't care who at WFU does or does not smoke weed (or gets booted or suspended for doing so). I just want someone in charge of WFU sports to be honest and not say things that seem to be a perfect blend of non-substantive, condescending, inconsistent gibberish.
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Exactly. I am okay with this year being a complete washout (not what I expected and unacceptible with the horrible ACC). But if Grobe cant get this ship turned around next year, with what will be an absolute loaded senior team - even with his coveted 5th year seniors.......with Wellman and his horrible hires and his "mrknowitall" emails - they both will need to hit the bricks and find new jobs. Oh and make sure the BZZkiller is driving the limo.

The clock is ticking, Premiere, it is time for a change. Free passes have run out for everyone at WFU. We are tired of being lectured too and taken for complete idiots.
 
Kent said:
Why when I read emails from Ron do I always feel like I am back in high school listening to a lecture from my mother, in which she tries to tell me something profound, without ever saying anything I don't already know.

It's not a horrible email by horrible WFU email standards. It's just a lot of "trust us, we have this covered" bullshit. It's also like they are answering a question they know the answer to in lieu of the question that's on the test. I don't care who at WFU does or does not smoke weed (or gets booted or suspended for doing so). I just want someone in charge of WFU sports to be honest and not say things that seem to be a perfect blend of non-substantive, condescending, inconsistent gibberish.
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I can't read this post without thinking about this, and laughing.

 
jaybone said:
While I think the current football season has been a huge disappointment and now bordering on an embarrassment, I think it is unfair to judge Grobe and Wellman on these suspensions and the arrest. Things will go south from time to time - the question is how quickly can you button it up. If it can't be buttoned up with suspensions and a dismissal or two, then heads need to roll or at least be on the chopping block.

I will point out that recruiting in 2012 is a totally different game than in 2002. Whatever you want to call it (culture change, something else), there is inherent friction between trying to amass enough talent to be a top 25 team and find quality young men that can excel at a Wake (or a Duke or a Vandy or a Northwestern). Division 1 football has become more like pro football in the last 10 years than every before, IMO. If you don't have the talent or game plan or both, and you go on the road to any of the top 10 schools these days, you are going to get killed (as we did in Tal.).

My concern with the football program is the relationship between individual assistants to the coordinators and the head coach. Grobe has created an atmosphere of stability - and that's great. Coaches have family time and can raise families and there is mutual loyalty. But from afar, it seems we are missing something, be in coaching talent, or coaches on the same page. The play calling continues to be average at best. We do not have enough team speed on offense to continue to run the side to side plays, and we need to throw long or mid range throws more frequently to stretch out defenses. Watching the Deacs then the Jets on back to back days, it feels like deja vu. If 10 players are going to play in the box, you have to burn that.
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excellent post
 
Let's not act like the fan base is only concerned with 8 kids. We had players kicked off the team in the offseason presumably for multiple weed offenses. One was brought back. We've had several players transfer to UNCC. It's not about two incidents over the last two weeks its about disturbing trends of player misbehavior and discontent.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Solid post Doofus, I agree with everything in it. Wake's AD, SID, and media relations are all consistent at one thing: Being terrible at their jobs.
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Fixed it for you.

But what do you expect when the people in charge of our revenue sports are 1) A man with no previous FBS experience and 2) a kid with even less.
 
Not sure what the big deal here is. Couple guys got arrested and Wake sent out an email about it. Seems normal and nothing to hyper analyze.
 
What bothers me about this whole deal is that when it was happening with the basketball program it was a culture problem that Ron proactively fixed by firing Dino. Now when its happening in the football program it is a "kids being kids" problem that will work itself out and can't be fixed since "recruiting isn't an exact science". It's a blatant double standard. To me this isn't really about the football program at all, rather it's just further proof that Wellman is full of shit when it comes to the basketball program.
 
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