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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

ABCDeac said:
That is pitiful logic. I will vote for her if, come election time, it appears she has a legit shot at winning NC. I just don’t think that will be the case and if I am throwing away a vote I might as well try to vote for someone/something as opposed to having an anti-Trump vote misconstrued and/or mischaracterized as support for Warren.
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Oh for fuck’s sake, we really still have this bullshit to deal with after 2016?
 
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cville deac said:
Yeah, didn't HW Bush put everything he had in a blind trust? You did it because of the emoluments clause, it was the right thing to do and you didn't want to have any appearance of impropriety. That was the day.

Agree as to Warren. She's far from my 1st choice, but none of her big legislative proposals are getting through thanks to Moscow Mitch. She'll appoint good and qualified judges and make good EOs on issues like immigration and the environment. Not sure what she'll do when it comes to trade. But it's a no-brainer. It's also why I've maintained it mostly doesn't matter which Dem wins and gets in. They'll all be mostly fine on appointments and EOs and will get very little done legislatively. That said, we'll continue to savage each other in this forum over relatively small policy differences.
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Why would Moscow Mitch allow any legislation to pass or confirm any appointments?
 
you donks clearly haven't been listening to biden

when trump is out of office, all the GOP will "have an epiphany"
 
In 2020, no one can win the Democratic nomination without significant support among either white liberals or African-Americans. A Wall Street titan who (erroneously) insisted that only the systematic harassment of young nonwhite men could keep New Yorkers safe — and that “it was not the banks that created the mortgage crisis” — has no appeal with either constituency. He cannot possibly assemble Biden’s current coalition, let alone build on it. To the extent his campaign can have any impact (beyond diverting funds away from actually viable Democratic candidates), it will be to fracture the anti-anti-billionaire vote, thereby shaving precious percentage points off Biden and Buttigieg’s share of delegates. In other words, a Bloomberg candidacy would be an in-kind contribution to the Warren and Sanders campaigns.
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ooh my girl katie porter endorses warren

nice endorsements for warren this week from both porter and pressley!
 
TownieDeac said:
ooh my girl katie porter endorses warren

nice endorsements for warren this week from both porter and pressley!
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I like Katie Porter a lot. I did get her and Katie Hill confused when the scandal happened.
 
Even if north cacalaca is not close you vote for the dem so donnie has one more vote against him in the popular total.
 
TownieDeac said:
ooh my girl katie porter endorses warren

nice endorsements for warren this week from both porter and pressley!
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I think Porter endorsed last week. Porter was one of Warren's students at Harvard so this was pretty much a done deal.

bym051d said:
I like Katie Porter a lot. I did get her and Katie Hill confused when the scandal happened.
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Same here. I think she'd be a good sleeper VP pick. Pressley would too. Both would be good Senate picks when their respective spots open up.
 
deaconson said:
Even if north cacalaca is not close you vote for the dem so donnie has one more vote against him in the popular total.
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That has mattered zero thus far.

I actually think if Warren wins NC the Dems will win the Senate. At the point she is relatively dangerous - and the only reason it is relative is she’d be following Trump. Historically, that set up would be extraordinarily dangerous.
 
WFFaithful said:
Why would Moscow Mitch allow any legislation to pass or confirm any appointments?
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I said very little would get done legislatively. I think it's possible to get a bipartisan criminal reform bill. But definitely not an immigration reform or health care bill. And you'll get your appointments through for the 1st 3 years as long as you don't nominate an activist, though it'll be a slow slog through the senate for the lower court positions. Obama got his approved until that last year. Just means that RBG better retire her ass right away and not wait till 2024.
 
Bet the same people creating a crisis of conscience are the same ones who said the same thing in 2016.

America deserves Donald. And nobody more than the self proclaimed moderate white upper class who have the luxury surrounding the fabricated difficult decision.
 
ABCDeac said:
That has mattered zero thus far.

I actually think if Warren wins NC the Dems will win the Senate. At the point she is relatively dangerous - and the only reason it is relative is she’d be following Trump. Historically, that set up would be extraordinarily dangerous.
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Spell out why she is "dangerous".
 
What are your thoughts on Bernie ABC? I’m guessing that a large portion of your warren opposition is based on your perception that she’s a socialist which you feel threatened by
 
ABCDeac said:
That has mattered zero thus far.

I actually think if Warren wins NC the Dems will win the Senate. At the point she is relatively dangerous - and the only reason it is relative is she’d be following Trump. Historically, that set up would be extraordinarily dangerous.
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It doesn't matter until it does. Ask Shelly Simonds.
 
MHBDemon said:
Rich people are awful.
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Wakeforest22890 said:
What are your thoughts on Bernie ABC? I’m guessing that a large portion of your warren opposition is based on your perception that she’s a socialist which you feel threatened by
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I don’t feel personally very threatened by Warren - I am well off but I’m not gonna get hit directly by any wealth taxes anytime soon. I don’t think her economic plans - breaking up banks, going after big tech, the wealth tax, MFA, etc are sustainable or that those programs will be good for the country. In that sense, if the dems won both houses and Warren is POTUS, we could have real danger of class warfare, a struggling economy, and overarching plans with no way to pay for them.

I tend to think gridlock and bipartisan, slow progress is what has made the US great and is the only way to sustain it through the end of my kids’ lives and perhaps beyond. No doubt we will need major programs aimed at the environment, healthcare, dealing with automation and other technological advances.

I just don’t think the answer is to flip the switch in 2021 to simultaneously have the government take the lead on those issues while breaking up huge corporations. And yes, much of this analysis applies to Bernie as well.

Trump is a grave threat. And Warren or Bernie, particularly with a GOP controlled Senate, would be much preferred in my mind. I just am skeptical that either of them can be elected without a full sweep and then I think the “improvement” relative to Trump could be dramatically lessened. Warren and Bernie do not strike me as pragmatists and if they have no need to negotiate they certainly won’t. Probably makes them more noble than most politicians but also more dangerous.
 
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