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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

PhDeac said:
For all the bitching from Bernie's camp, Pete was the real victim of the Iowa screw up. He didn't get the Iowa bump he should have gotten. It's possible that Iowa bump would have bolstered him to sustain the Klob surge in NH which would have given him a second win. That could have helped him get 2nd in LV.

Basically Pete had the right strategy of focusing on Iowa to ride the momentum, but Iowa screwed up so badly he didn't have enough momentum. Plus Steyer and Bloomberg were unexpected problems for him as well. He was very well positioned to be #2 as the race stood a few months ago.
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Always the victim. Bloomberg is a much bigger issue for Pete than the two days when the headlines were about Pete being virtually tied with Bernie instead of about Pete winning by 0.1%.
 
BTW, two of the centerpieces of Bernie's plans- paying off current student debt and free tuition for state colleges and universities will help Trump.

Seventy percent of Americans (most Trump supporters) have not been to college. Thus, they have no college debt. Many in this group resent "college boys". If you propose giving "college boys" tens of thousands of dollars (and possibly more) paid for by tax increases, you will cause a back lash from the 70% and drive them to the polls.

Free tuition to state colleges and universities is another weak plan. Again, most kids don't go to college. Next, it will make schools like Wake, Duke, Stanford and others even more elitist than they are today. If a middle class kid gets into Stanford but can get free tuition at Berkeley or UCLA, many will choose UC. The people at private schools will have an even higher percentage of rich and connected students. Further, as young people change from Wake to UNC-CH, the person who had gotten to UNC-CH whose place the Wake guy is taking will drop to a lower level school, etc.etc.

These sound good and are nice bumper stickers but aren't realistic.

BTW- the free tuition plan isn't big enough nor is it progressive enough. But we'll talk about that after the election.
 
RJKarl said:
BTW, two of the centerpieces of Bernie's plans- paying off current student debt and free tuition for state colleges and universities will help Trump.

Seventy percent of Americans (most Trump supporters) have not been to college.
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source on your 70% number? are you counting children?


61% of adults 25 or older have attended some college per the last report by the US Census
 
Make it 66.6%:

"Just over a third of American adults have a four-year college degree, the highest level ever measured by the U.S. Census Bureau. In a report released Monday, the Census Bureau said 33.4 percent of Americans 25 or older said they had completed a bachelor's degree or higher."

Yes, some who haven't graduated will have some debt, but they aren't the target.

BTW, Bernie's plan doesn't include future debt. Why should this one group of people get a benefit past and future people won't?
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Always the victim. Bloomberg is a much bigger issue for Pete than the two days when the headlines were about Pete being virtually tied with Bernie instead of about Pete winning by 0.1%.
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It was only a few weeks ago, District. The headlines were about how about how Iowa screwed up. Go back and read articles from Feb 4.
 
RJ conveniently ignores that Bernie’s plan includes trade school.
 
Bernie's plan includes paying tuition to for profit trade schools? Most trade schools are for profit and have nothing to do with state universities.
 
RJKarl said:
Make it 66.6%:

"Just over a third of American adults have a four-year college degree, the highest level ever measured by the U.S. Census Bureau. In a report released Monday, the Census Bureau said 33.4 percent of Americans 25 or older said they had completed a bachelor's degree or higher."

Yes, some who haven't graduated will have some debt, but they aren't the target.

BTW, Bernie's plan doesn't include future debt. Why should this one group of people get a benefit past and future people won't?
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lol, keep changing the criteria

about 45 million people have about $1.5 trillion dollars in debt -- it's an issue

it's stupid criteria anyways, that it must be something you experience personally to make it worth addressing -- I doubt you'll ever get gay-married or have an abortion, but I figure you've voted based on candidates who support those issues
 
PhDeac said:
It was only a few weeks ago, District. The headlines were about how about how Iowa screwed up. Go back and read articles from Feb 4.
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“Buttigieg slightly leading Sanders in partial Iowa results”
 
Buttagieg got the bump he deserved from Iowa. He can now go on his merry way as the democratic party's Rick Santorum.
 
RJ in a month or so:

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:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

ITC, you really should talk to someone who knows me. But thanks for the laughs...
 
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