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2021-22 Men's College Basketball Season - UNC v. Kansas for the Natty

DeacsPop said:
Because Miami is a higher rated Tourney Team than us. That's another at large we have to have selected ahead of us.

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How does Miami beating BC help that problem for us? They are higher rated than us with a win (definitely) or a loss (probably).
 
Well, Miami calls a TO. Their guy dribbles around until he loses the ball and BC gets the last shot.

Spooky.
 
The ultimate heads up play right there.
 
I've never seen such ineptitude from college teams in the last 30 seconds or so when in possession of the ball and holding for the last shot. It seems to generally end in a disastrous turnover or a wild shot that is taken too early in the shot clock which leads to what we just saw.
 
cheeseheads12 said:
I've never seen such ineptitude from college teams in the last 30 seconds or so when in possession of the ball and holding for the last shot. It seems to generally end in a disastrous turnover or a wild shot that is taken too early in the shot clock which leads to what we just saw.
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left to their own devices, college players will generally go hero ball for the last shot, which is why the timeout is almost always the correct call
 
he took that shot with 7 seconds left which is just not good. Not good.
 
Welp, the hurricanes did in OT what Wake couldn't do. :(

Survive and advance....

Not eat steak and lose! :mad:
 
thatguy2016 said:
left to their own devices, college players will generally go hero ball for the last shot, which is why the timeout is almost always the correct call
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Respectfully disagree. Anecdotally, almost every buzzer beater this week has come without a TO before the game winning shot.

Also, think a timeout gives the defense a chance to set up, or like BC did to Miami today at the end of regulation, to change the defensive scheme, which almost always forces the offense to abort the play call. When you have a veteran team, would guess that a majority of teams do not call a timeout before attempting the game winning shot. Also, one other small point, in college basketball the team on offense always has the bench (and the coaches) on their side in the 2nd half (not true in the NBA). As a result, when a team is holding for a last shot with time left, there is time for the coach to provide additional instruction to the offense, while the coaching staff for the defense is on the other side of the court; so, the defense is on its own (which is why coaches often go way out of the coaching box. There are analytics for essentially everything in college basketball and don't think there is any analytical support for the claim that the offense statistically benefits from a calling a TO before the final shot, unless there's a player substitution that is needed to give the offense an edge.

College basketball is big business now, coaching staffs seem to grow every year, teams perform detailed analytical analyses of essentially every game situation (particularly end of game scenarios) and despite our criticisms, coaching staffs are full of smart well-informed men making decisions based upon a life-time of preparation for those last second moments. If there was any kind of statistical support for the proposition that a last possession TO gives the offense an advantage, every coaching staff would do that (for among other reasons, to avoid being second guessed). Instead, the conventional wisdom is that the TO or no TO decision comes down to the factors impacting that particular game, that particular team and that particular opponent. Sometimes it makes sense to call a TO and sometimes it does not.
 
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thatguy2016 said:
left to their own devices, college players will generally go hero ball for the last shot, which is why the timeout is almost always the correct call
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I think in our situation it was not a bad call at all. Forbes had already called the play and if you call a time out it does benefit the defense. Miami coach called a time out in the same situation today and had a dog shit possession with the guard just going one on five and turning it over. Anyway we had Manman with the ball and he just went out of control which is not coaching
 
Forbes had two plays called. One for Alondes and one with a pick n roll with him and Jake.

I just think that we've done poorly against a set defense in the half court on last second shots when we don't move the ball. A TO isn't going to make that better if we just want to keep it in our best players hands.
 
Deac83 said:
Forbes had two plays called. One for Alondes and one with a pick n roll with him and Jake.

I just think that we've done poorly against a set defense in the half court on last second shots when we don't move the ball. A TO isn't going to make that better if we just want to keep it in our best players hands.
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We were in a great situation. Manman going one-on-one and driving to the basket. He was definitely the best finisher at the rim in the ACC. The only problem was that for some reason he pushed off. A time out would not have resulted in a better situation for the Deacs.
 
The brown floor on the baseline on Barclays Center, with blue writing, is such an odd choice.
 
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