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About that "World's Best Healthcare System" the U.S. is supposed to have...

Where did you get that from my previous post? Or are you arguing for both us now?
 
awaken said:
No, bc I don't believe healthcare is a right. So I would deny the poors. Actually, I'd try to fix the system so everyone could afford it regardless of age or income.
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If you're fixing healthcare so everyone can afford it, it's essentially a right.

I'm not sure how someone can have life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in the US without adequate health care.
 
awaken said:
Where did you get that from my previous post? Or are you arguing for both us now?
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the state government is a governmental body, right?

also, unfortunately healthcare is still a privilege, your personal philosophy notwithstanding. we'll all be better off if we spent more of our energy and money on making our populations healthier. why not shift some of the enormously disproportionately spent resources to accomplish those goals
 
Great, so now that healthcare is not a right, then we can discuss who is privileged to get healthcare...so now we can continue your eugenics discussion. Olds - out. Mentally ill - out. Non-breeders - out. Resources are scarce, and we should spend them on those whom natural selection has favored.
 
PhDeac said:
If you're fixing healthcare so everyone can afford it, it's essentially a right.

I'm not sure how someone can have life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in the US without adequate health care.
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Everyone can afford a candy bar, but no one has the right to a candy bar.
 
awaken said:
Great, so now that healthcare is not a right, then we can discuss who is privileged to get healthcare...so now we can continue your eugenics discussion. Olds - out. Mentally ill - out. Non-breeders - out. Resources are scarce, and we should spend them on those whom natural selection has favored.
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nah, i just said life expectancy and then townie made a compromise-worthy suggestion re: advanced directives
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/06/how-two-common-medications-became-one-455-million-specialty-pill/530808/?utm_source=atlfb

Drug company combines Aleve and Nexium into a new drug, sells it for $3,250/month, makes huge bank.

Of course I also did the math. You can walk into your local drugstore and buy a month’s supply of Aleve and Nexium for about $40. For Vimovo, the pharmacy billed my insurance company $3,252.
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How could this happen?

Herrick, the health-care economist, said Horizon cashed in by eliminating many of the barriers in the system that are meant to control costs. The company got patients on board by covering their out-of-pocket costs. It appealed to doctors by promoting the benefits to patients. And it did an end-run around chain pharmacies, which typically might suggest a lower-priced alternative, by steering prescriptions to pharmacists who would participate in their patient-assistance program.

“Somebody brainstormed: ‘How can we nullify any consumer check and balance in this supply chain? What can we do to keep the customer from asking questions?’” Herrick said.
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bobknightfan said:
As I said, the best healthcare system is the one that provides the best overall healthcare to the greatest percentage of its citizens...at the most reasonable price.

It is not determined by the system that will provide the absolute best specialist care to a small, elite group of wealthy citizens, while giving short shrift to the overwhelming majority of its citizens.

It is not surprising that this is either not understood...or not accepted...by many people on a Wake Forest message board,where elitist attitudes often prevail.
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bkf's greatest hits was the OP. Funny how his view is now 180 degrees opposite of what it was, but the people who disagree with him are still Wake Forest elitists.
 
well he's always been consistent with at least one thing: hating his alma mater and all who went there after he did
 
https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/why-the-u-s-spends-so-much-more-than-other-nations-on-health-care/

Updated research on why America pays so much more for healthcare than anyone else. Primary finding: it's because Big Pharma, Big Hospital, Big Medical Device, and Big Doctors charge much more for the same services here than anywhere else.

In other words, most of the explanation for American health spending growth — and why it has pulled away from health spending in other countries — is that more is done for patients during hospital stays and doctor visits, they’re charged more per service, or both.

Though the JAMA study could not separate care intensity and price, other research blames prices more. For example, one study found that the spending growth for treating patients between 2003 and 2007 is almost entirely because of a growth in prices, with little contribution from growth in the quantity of treatment services provided. Another study found that U.S. hospital prices are 60 percent higher than those in Europe. Other studies also point to prices as a major factor in American health care spending growth.
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Yup. Gouging. It is also in Time's "A Bitter Pill" article. There was a time when banks gouged people on loans. Then Congress passed usury laws. The same is type of law is needed for medical care.

 
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/07/18/629575118/medicaid-under-the-influence-how-drugmakers-sway-medication-options-for-patients

Drugmakers use all kinds of underhanded tricks to get their drugs on the Medicaid approved list and get doctors to prescribe them to Medicaid patients, even coaching nurses on what symptoms to put in the record to make sure the drugs are approved. "Free market" medicine profiting off the taxpayer once again. But we are told that Medicaid is too expensive and we need to cut costs by requiring those lazy poors to work for their "free" medicine, while the people selling said medicine enjoy one of the most profitable industries in the US.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
65 plus crowd living off the welfare state
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I have numerous elderly or retired relatives living in rural NC who would probably be dead within two or three months if it wasn't for Medicare and Social Security, yet they're all diehard Trumpites who bitch and moan constantly about how Democrats and minorities and illegal immigrants are bankrupting the country with their expensive welfare programs and are "wasting my tax money". Total cognitive dissonance.
 
yeah, quick stop by the pharmacy to pick up their 10 scripts on the way to the voting booth
 
Highland Deac said:
I have numerous elderly or retired relatives living in rural NC who would probably be dead within two or three months if it wasn't for Medicare and Social Security, yet they're all diehard Trumpites who bitch and moan constantly about how Democrats and minorities and illegal immigrants are bankrupting the country with their expensive welfare programs and are "wasting my tax money". Total cognitive dissonance.
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Easiest trick in the dirty GDMF politicking book: Blame someone else for problems and claim that you'll fix 'em.
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/19/trump-health-care-better-cheaper-693362

Trump, who’s touted the expansion of so-called association health plans as a key plank in his strategy to tear down Obamacare, even announced the rules at the 75th anniversary party of the National Federation of Independent Business last month, claiming the group’s members will save “massive amounts of money” and have better care if they join forces to offer coverage to workers.

But the NFIB, which vigorously promoted association health plans for two decades, now says it won’t set one up, describing the new Trump rules as unworkable. And the NFIB isn’t the only one: Several of the nationwide trade groups that cheered Trump’s new insurance rules told POLITICO they’re still trying to figure out how to take advantage of them and whether the effort is even worth it.
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The article goes on to say that the several other trade groups won't be participating. Further proving the point that 'pubs know fuck-all about healthcare.
 
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