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Ask the Tunnels: Did you out-give Vice President Biden (1.5% to charity) in 2011?

Did you give more than 1.5% to charity in 2011?

  • Yes, who only gives 1.5% to others?

    Votes: 23 76.7%

  • No, I'm only generous with other people's money.

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
I think politicians have an important role in establishing public policy, including necessary wealth redistribution policies. But this idea that they should be praised as champions of the poor for voting to take money out of the pocket of person A and give it to person B and that anything they do can be rationalized if you agree with their politics is a bit much.

On the list of selfless public servants, politicians from both sides are way way down the list.

Are pure socialist and communist politicians champions of the poor also? They do the same thing just to a different level of degree.
 
RJKarl said:
Tell all the kids on Pell Grants the politicians who created it and kept it going isn't helping.

Tell all the families who wouldn't eat without food stamps, they aren't being helped.

There are many, many other examples.
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Tell the third generation of subsistent dependence that they're being "helped."
 
ChrisL68 said:
I think politicians have an important role in establishing public policy, including necessary wealth redistribution policies. But this idea that they should be praised as champions of the poor for voting to take money out of the pocket of person A and give it to person B and that anything they do can be rationalized if you agree with their politics is a bit much.

On the list of selfless public servants, politicians from both sides are way way down the list.

Are pure socialist and communist politicians champions of the poor also? They do the same thing just to a different level of degree.
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Wealth redistribution is not necessary, unless you are a fan of Marx & his Communist Manifesto.
 
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For years, I have been charitably giving your wives and girlfriends the length and girth that you guys can't provide. I don't claim it on my returns though. Can't really place a value on that kind of happiness.
 
DeaconPeach said:
Wealth redistribution is not necessary, unless you are a fan of Marx & his Communist Manifesto.
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That's just ridiculous. Any taxation system outside of a pro-rata user fee is wealth redistribution. Any social safety net at all is wealth redistribution. Any elderly support is wealth redistribution.

The countries that don't engage in any wealth redistribution are the ones that have masses of beggars on the streets and shantytowns. It's just a matter of the degree that is necessary for an effective public policy.
 
DeaconPeach said:
Wealth redistribution is not necessary, unless you are a fan of Marx & his Communist Manifesto.
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Wealth distribution is absolutely necessary unless you want to live on a island that is totally self-sufficient.
 
RJKarl said:
Wealth distribution is absolutely necessary unless you want to live on a island that is totally self-sufficient.
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Why not use an efficient manner of wealth distribution like the free market, where people can use effort to exercise control over their fate (unlike the baby birds in the government's nest, waiting for whatever someone else deems an appropriate ration)?
 
deacphan said:
el oh el
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If I'm not happy with my pay and benefits, I can quit and get a new job. If I really get fed up, I can start my own business. Where do I go when my government childishly bankrupts mandatory social security?
 
jhmd2000 said:
If I'm not happy with my pay and benefits, I can quit and get a new job. If I really get fed up, I can start my own business. Where do I go when my government childishly bankrupts mandatory social security?
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congratufuckinglations.
 
Yes, trying to have a discussion with jhmd amid his ridiculously cartoonish characterizations is pretty much pointless.
 
Let's see...here's an example of public policy that might affect poorer folks: education. The effects could be more or less favorable, depending on the policies, yes?

In NC, the Pubs are havin' a field day: Fitzsimon on the real threat to UNC .

[shamelessly borrowing from that other thread]
 
ChrisL68 said:
Yes, trying to have a discussion with jhmd amid his ridiculously cartoonish characterizations is pretty much pointless.
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You do understand all of these entitlement programs are on a collision course with bankruptcy, don't you? Our current Administration has absolutely no plan to deal with this issue.
 
No, you just buy the BS coming out of the romney camp when the only thing they are really specific about is that they will cut a variety of taxes sooner than later. Both sides have proposed spending cuts in one area or another to reduce entitlement spending.

Many are estimating this his policy proposals will increase the deficit over the next 4 years.

I know he has long term entitlement reform, but most will be enacted after he is out of office.
 
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jhmd2000 said:
If I'm not happy with my pay and benefits, I can quit and get a new job. If I really get fed up, I can start my own business. Where do I go when my government childishly bankrupts mandatory social security?
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hee hee

He's cute, isn't he? Ya hear that? In our perfect system, if people don't like their pay and benefits they can just go start a business. They can just borrow the money from their parents if they have no capital. It just takes effort. sheesh
 
I know a bunch of people who start their own businesses when they get fed up with working. Drug dealers...Capitalism at its finest baby.
 
WakeandBake said:
hee hee

He's cute, isn't he? Ya hear that? In our perfect system, if people don't like their pay and benefits they can just go start a business. They can just borrow the money from their parents if they have no capital. It just takes effort. sheesh
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Someone inform the poor.
 
WakeandBake said:
hee hee

He's cute, isn't he? Ya hear that? In our perfect system, if people don't like their pay and benefits they can just go start a business. They can just borrow the money from their parents if they have no capital. It just takes effort. sheesh
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The point is my rights as a consumer dwarf that of my rights as a consumer of a public service. I have no walk-away power when dealing with the government fulfilling a private sector function. Just BOHICA.
 
jhmd2000 said:
The point is my rights as a consumer dwarf that of my rights as a consumer of a public service. I have no walk-away power when dealing with the government fulfilling a private sector function. Just BOHICA.
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Yes you do. Luckily for you, the world has a pseudo-federal system, so you can simply move to a different country with different laws and different public services. Believe me, it's possible.
 
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