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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

PTownDeac said:
Can’t blame him. Who would want to work in a one on one instruction practice with Danny Manning?
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I’m no Manning fan at all, but my impression is that individually developing players seems to be his strong suit (though it may be mostly with more traditional bigs).
 
Rafi said:
I’m no Manning fan at all, but my impression is that individually developing players seems to be his strong suit (though it may be mostly with more traditional bigs).
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Where does that impression come from? Nobody this year looked any better than last year short of Chaundee’s last 10 or so games.
 
Rafi said:
I’m no Manning fan at all, but my impression is that individually developing players seems to be his strong suit (though it may be mostly with more traditional bigs).
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Outside of centers, I think that's a pretty tough argument to make.

His strong suit is recruiting despite shit results and limited personality.
 
WFU Lurker said:
Outside of centers, I think that's a pretty tough argument to make.

His strong suit is recruiting despite shit results and limited personality.
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Our centers were garbage this year, too. I think sometimes talented players improve irrespective of the head coach.
 
WFU Lurker said:
Outside of centers, I think that's a pretty tough argument to make.

His strong suit is recruiting despite shit results and limited personality.
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I don’t think he’s a very good recruiter.

I agree with you that it’s a tough argument to make outside of centers, which is why I wrote “traditional bigs.” There have been bigs at Wake and Kansas that really improved when he was coaching at both places, often making big leaps over the summer.
 
WFU Lurker said:
Outside of centers, I think that's a pretty tough argument to make.

His strong suit is recruiting despite shit results and limited personality.
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Manning has no strong suit as a coach. Not player development, not recruiting, not game planning, not end of game planning, not in game adjustments, nothing.
 
WFU Lurker said:
Yes, true.

His rotations also hid just how good Collins and Doral were from day 1.
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You could have an argument for Collins, but, when he got here Doral was a stiff who could barely run up and down the court twice without needing a break.
 
Brendan207 said:
Hoard isn't gone. What I'm hearing is that he's still on the fence and is leaning towards coming back based on his projected draft position and where he could possibly be in 2020 (Top 15-20 if he has a great ACC year and makes some of the improvements the scouts have been pointing out). There are also a few guys ahead of him in the rankings that haven't hired agents either and everyone is closely watching that.
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so if Hoard comes back, who leaves to get us under the limit?

we're at 14 right now

Childress/Johnson/White
Brown/Sarr
Hoard/Mucius/Wright/Wynn
Coleman/Ingraham/Massoud/Neath/Oguama
 
scooter84 said:
You could have an argument for Collins, but, when he got here Doral was a stiff who could barely run up and down the court twice without needing a break.
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Yet the two times he played 20 minutes (exactly 20 minutes) in ACC games, he had 19 pts, 7 reb, 2 stl, 3 blk vs. BC and 13 pts, 8 reb, 3 blk vs. ND.

Not only that, he played 10 to 13 minutes in 5 other games. He averaged 6 pts, 2.6 reb, 1 blk in 11 mpg. Per 30, that's 16.4 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.7 blk.

There's nothing to support this idea that Doral was a stiff aside from the fact Manning didn't play him. When he played, he was very productive, so clearly he wasn't a stiff.
 
PhDeac said:
Yet the two times he played 20 minutes (exactly 20 minutes) in ACC games, he had 19 pts, 7 reb, 2 stl, 3 blk vs. BC and 13 pts, 8 reb, 3 blk vs. ND.

Not only that, he played 10 to 13 minutes in 5 other games. He averaged 6 pts, 2.6 reb, 1 blk in 11 mpg. Per 30, that's 16.4 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.7 blk.

There's nothing to support this idea that Doral was a stiff aside from the fact Manning didn't play him. When he played, he was very productive, so clearly he wasn't a stiff.
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You know what supports him being a stiff? Watching him play at that time. He could do certain things. He could take up space, he could block and alter shots, he could catch the ball and he could dunk. He was not mobile, he had no conditioning, and he often looked lost on offense and defense. He had no discernible ability to make any kind of move with the ball or shoot outside of 3 feet. He looked really good every once in a while - I assume because of certain match-ups. But any attempt now to paint him as some great player who was only held down because of Manning not playing him is revisionist history, pure and simple.
I'm just as down on Manning as a coach as anyone but, if anything, Manning deserves some credit for getting Doral from where he was to where he is today. Or maybe Doral did it all on his own, I can't say for sure. In any event he was much better when he left than he was when he came in.
 
It's not "revisionist history" when people were arguing at the time he should get more playing time.

But sure, if you want to argue that Manning is some great coach because he only played Moore when he could be productive, go right ahead.
 
Doral could've played a bit more with JC his sophomore year, but he also didn't have a very good season overall. He also couldn't stop fouling at all (committed almost 10 fouls per 40 minutes).

He vastly improved his junior season - predominantly because he was able to stay on the floor for longer stretches (compared to his first two seasons) and understood that his game was predicated on snatching rebounds and dunking it.

Looking at Doral's numbers from his sophomore season don't give the indication that Doral should've been playing any more than he actually was.
 
Somehow he played 40 minutes combined in back to back games and was very productive.
 
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