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Brilliant John Stewart Clip re: Rich and Poor

PhDeac said:
Just this week pourman was outraged that I claimed conservatives wanted to raise taxes on the poor. No way he actually checks out that clip.
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I already did and it's funny, but I'm not impressed with the content since it's being taken literally/seriously.

If you want to believe Stewart that taxing income is somehow taxing wealth, your choice. If you want to believe broadening the tax base means taxing the poor, when it always refers to expanding the economy, your choice. If you can't imagine why someone would point out that most Americans don't pay income taxes, a point raised because the left believes the burden of the bottom 50% is too high, your choice. I get it. It's funny liberal stuff and "awesome", the standard petty attacks on Fox being icing on the cake.

But to me it's just more demogagory from the left and legit ideas taken out of context, using humor to do what Millhouse has already pointed out. That was my point earlier in the week. Stewart's an entertainer after all, but look at the left on here falling over themselves like a fundamentalist church goer after a rousing sermon. I suppose you also think these sorts of mischaracterizations create the environment for the real honest policy debate you claim to want, but it really doesn't. You have to wade through all the BS Stewart created.

Doesn't really matter though. The New Deal dogma you favor that underlies all these issues is going down and relatively shortly. Its inevitable.
 
PhDeac said:
Just this week pourman was outraged that I claimed conservatives wanted to raise taxes on the poor. No way he actually checks out that clip.

That clip would be funny if there weren't tens of millions of people in this country who actually felt that way.
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Most of whom are poor white trash.
 
pourdeac said:
I already did and it's funny, but I'm not impressed with the content since it's being taken literally/seriously.

If you want to believe Stewart that taxing income is somehow taxing wealth, your choice. If you want to believe broadening the tax base means taxing the poor, when it always refers to expanding the economy, your choice. If you can't imagine why someone would point out that most Americans don't pay income taxes, a point raised because the left believes the burden of the bottom 50% is too high, your choice. I get it. It's funny liberal stuff and "awesome", the standard petty attacks on Fox being icing on the cake.

But to me it's just more demogagory from the left and legit ideas taken out of context, using humor to do what Millhouse has already pointed out. That was my point earlier in the week. Stewart's an entertainer after all, but look at the left on here falling over themselves like a fundamentalist church goer after a rousing sermon. I suppose you also think these sorts of mischaracterizations create the environment for the real honest policy debate you claim to want, but it really doesn't. You have to wade through all the BS Stewart created.

Doesn't really matter though. The New Deal dogma you favor that underlies all these issues is going down and relatively shortly. Its inevitable.
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Hey dumbass, just how much revenue do you think we could extract from the poor by taxing them to further death? Holy fuck, a family of 4 earning 23K a year pays no taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What an outrage!!!!!
 
pourdeac said:
I already did and it's funny, but I'm not impressed with the content since it's being taken literally/seriously.

If you want to believe Stewart that taxing income is somehow taxing wealth, your choice. If you want to believe broadening the tax base means taxing the poor, when it always refers to expanding the economy, your choice. If you can't imagine why someone would point out that most Americans don't pay income taxes, a point raised because the left believes the burden of the bottom 50% is too high, your choice. I get it. It's funny liberal stuff and "awesome", the standard petty attacks on Fox being icing on the cake.

But to me it's just more demogagory from the left and legit ideas taken out of context, using humor to do what Millhouse has already pointed out. That was my point earlier in the week. Stewart's an entertainer after all, but look at the left on here falling over themselves like a fundamentalist church goer after a rousing sermon. I suppose you also think these sorts of mischaracterizations create the environment for the real honest policy debate you claim to want, but it really doesn't. You have to wade through all the BS Stewart created.

Doesn't really matter though. The New Deal dogma you favor that underlies all these issues is going down and relatively shortly. Its inevitable.
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You are sooooo right.....the fact that the US ranks so low in income equality is leftist demogoguery rahter than the actual true data.

You're right it's leftist demogoguery to hold the truly hate-filled and ignorant Stuart Varney accountable for his propoganda.

You're right it's leftist demogoguery to show how stupiud Faux News is for calling Warren Buffet " a socialist".

Just think about that for a moment. The most successful capitalist in decades, if not in US history, is a socailist according to Faux News, but it's the left's problem that Faux hires morons and doesn't hold them accountable for their idiocy.
 
pourdeac said:
I already did and it's funny, but I'm not impressed with the content since it's being taken literally/seriously.

If you want to believe Stewart that taxing income is somehow taxing wealth, your choice. If you want to believe broadening the tax base means taxing the poor, when it always refers to expanding the economy, your choice. If you can't imagine why someone would point out that most Americans don't pay income taxes, a point raised because the left believes the burden of the bottom 50% is too high, your choice. I get it. It's funny liberal stuff and "awesome", the standard petty attacks on Fox being icing on the cake.

But to me it's just more demogagory from the left and legit ideas taken out of context, using humor to do what Millhouse has already pointed out. That was my point earlier in the week. Stewart's an entertainer after all, but look at the left on here falling over themselves like a fundamentalist church goer after a rousing sermon. I suppose you also think these sorts of mischaracterizations create the environment for the real honest policy debate you claim to want, but it really doesn't. You have to wade through all the BS Stewart created.

Doesn't really matter though. The New Deal dogma you favor that underlies all these issues is going down and relatively shortly. Its inevitable.
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The bottom 50% controls 2%, and don't pay income taxes; "Broadening the tax base" clearly means making more of that 50% pay income taxes. It's way too obvious and simple for you to attempt to sugarcoat it. You want to "broaden" the tax base arbitrarily, knowing full well that the increased contribution will be infinitesimal. Not only is it class warfare, but it's useless legislation. No matter how complicated you want all of this to sound, the population segment you are targeting does not have any money, and the one you are protecting has more than enough money to take on a larger burden.
 
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pourdeac said:
I already did and it's funny, but I'm not impressed with the content since it's being taken literally/seriously.

If you want to believe Stewart that taxing income is somehow taxing wealth, your choice. If you want to believe broadening the tax base means taxing the poor, when it always refers to expanding the economy, your choice. If you can't imagine why someone would point out that most Americans don't pay income taxes, a point raised because the left believes the burden of the bottom 50% is too high, your choice. I get it. It's funny liberal stuff and "awesome", the standard petty attacks on Fox being icing on the cake.

But to me it's just more demogagory from the left and legit ideas taken out of context, using humor to do what Millhouse has already pointed out. That was my point earlier in the week. Stewart's an entertainer after all, but look at the left on here falling over themselves like a fundamentalist church goer after a rousing sermon. I suppose you also think these sorts of mischaracterizations create the environment for the real honest policy debate you claim to want, but it really doesn't. You have to wade through all the BS Stewart created.

Doesn't really matter though. The New Deal dogma you favor that underlies all these issues is going down and relatively shortly. Its inevitable.
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lets seize their refrigerators!!
 
What percentage do you think we'd have to get to before Fox News let the slide switch to Poor People instead of "Poor" people.

40% with refrigerators?

10%?

I mean, how poor are we really shooting for? A basic large used refrigerator looks like it runs about $125 on Criagslist. A cheap pay-as-you-go cell plan runs around $200 a year.

So we're shooting for those items to be luxuries? Who was making those third world country comments again?
 
pour, Stewart isn't saying taxing income is taxing wealth. He's saying in order to match what you'd get from taxing the income of the top 2%, you'd have to tax half the wealth of the bottom 50%.

That's how big the disparities are in this country.

DC, not sure what you're saying, could you clarify? I think I agree with you but I'm making sure.
 
PhDeac said:
pour, Stewart isn't saying taxing income is taxing wealth. He's saying in order to match what you'd get from taxing the income of the top 2%, you'd have to tax half the wealth of the bottom 50%.

That's how big the disparities are in this country.

DC, not sure what you're saying, could you clarify? I think I agree with you but I'm making sure.
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thanks for clarifying
 
PhDeac said:
pour, Stewart isn't saying taxing income is taxing wealth. He's saying in order to match what you'd get from taxing the income of the top 2%, you'd have to tax half the wealth of the bottom 50%.

That's how big the disparities are in this country.

DC, not sure what you're saying, could you clarify? I think I agree with you but I'm making sure.
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Me? I'm just mocking the idea of quoting a high percentage of refrigerator ownership of the "poor" as justification for the idea that if we jacked up their taxes they'd A) make a big impact, and B) could afford it because they're not truly poor.

It's just a fraud of an argument.
 
The idea that refrigerator and cell phone ownership negates poverty is absurd. Certain things even the poor must have, and those two items are becoming all but necessities to modern life.
 
When big banks failed 3 years ago, our government stepped in and bailed them and their mostly wealthy beneficiaries out. Now that our government is on the brink of fiscal meltdown its time for the wealthy to help bail them out. Not saying that there shouldn't be substantial changes in government spending, but the thought that we will ever reduce the deficit without some sort of tax increase is comical at this point.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
The idea that refrigerator and cell phone ownership negates poverty is absurd. Certain things even the poor must have, and those two items are becoming all but necessities to modern life.
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exactly.

did the working poor of the good ole days our conservative friends harken back to endlessly not have shoes, tools, mules, a watch, a refrigerator, even a shot of whiskey once in a while? where do you draw the line? its all relative
 
I hear some of them have window air conditioning units too!!!!!!

Ungrateful leaches!!!!
 
A cell phone is not a necessity. Nor is a video game system or a dishwasher.

I've lived in plenty of apartments that didn't have a dishwasher. I personally agree that the tax system in this country is totally effed up, but I'm also jaded by working for Social Security and paying degenerate pieces of shit not to work.
 
DeaconCav06 said:
A cell phone is not a necessity. Nor is a video game system or a dishwasher.

I've lived in plenty of apartments that didn't have a dishwasher. I personally agree that the tax system in this country is totally effed up, but I'm also jaded by working for Social Security and paying degenerate pieces of shit not to work.
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why not just hire them for the same amount. then it's not a freebee
 
WFFaithful said:
why not just hire them for the same amount. then it's not a freebee
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Then it's "New Deal dogma". Apparently the role of the federal government is "let them eat cake".
 
I can't believe we have lazy, good-for-nothing, freeloaders taking money from the government and using it to buy fucking microwaves.

They probably wrap their hot pockets in $100 bills before the heat them up. And then THEY FUCKING EAT THEM!
 
DeaconCav06 said:
A cell phone is not a necessity. Nor is a video game system or a dishwasher.

I've lived in plenty of apartments that didn't have a dishwasher. I personally agree that the tax system in this country is totally effed up, but I'm also jaded by working for Social Security and paying degenerate pieces of shit not to work.
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Eh, yeah, this is basically my opinion. The poor will always be with us, insofar as one segment of society will always make less than the other. Ideally we should close the gap in standards of living, but I'm of the opinion that the gap is narrower than some think.
 
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