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Chat Thread Indomitable: Move it to the exits

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Deacon92 said:
Embarrassed or just avoiding a lecture on why they would be wrong. In either event they reacted to perceived pressure not to say what they believed.
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If you truly back a candidate there isn't any reason why you shouldn't say so...if you don't have rebuttals to someone's "lecture" you might need to get a new candidate.
 
Us irrational womenz always crying over irrational things like feeling America is cool with rape culture.
 
RubbinsRacin said:
Is it because a woman lost or trump won or a combo of both? I mean, I get the crying i guess, seems a bit dramatic with these two very distasteful candidates. Maybe cry if a great woman candidate lost or cry because an asshole won...or both.
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More because of the implications that electing trump has for those who don't fit the straight, white, male mold.
The fact that under this presidency, huge strides in healthcare (though imperfect!!!) and marriage equality could stand to be erased. That full control of the republican party could put such conservative powers in place that women's health issues and body autonomy will be threatened. That he speaks the way he does about women, minorities, the disabled, etc. and is now the elected leader of our country. That he has given a voice to people who bought into his xenophobic platform and emboldened people to be more open in their bigotry and hate.

...but then, as a woman, there was a moment of sadness as I realized just how incredible it would be to have a woman president, and what that would mean to every little girl (and woman) out there who wants the proof that women can actually be anything. To have that dashed and realize it will likely be another decade before there is a female remotely viable as a major-party candidate was a little crushing. Even recognizing that she's a flawed candidate, to have to wonder how much of the dislike of Hillary is BECAUSE she's a woman just sucks.

Was I sobbing? No. But I was upset and there were tears.
 
lbE08 said:
More because of the implications that electing trump has for those who don't fit the straight, white, male mold.
The fact that under this presidency, huge strides in healthcare (though imperfect!!!) and marriage equality could stand to be erased. That full control of the republican party could put such conservative powers in place that women's health issues and body autonomy will be threatened. That he speaks the way he does about women, minorities, the disabled, etc. and is now the elected leader of our country. That he has given a voice to people who bought into his xenophobic platform and emboldened people to be more open in their bigotry and hate.

...but then, as a woman, there was a moment of sadness as I realized just how incredible it would be to have a woman president, and what that would mean to every little girl (and woman) out there who wants the proof that women can actually be anything. To have that dashed and realize it will likely be another decade before there is a female remotely viable as a major-party candidate was a little crushing. Even recognizing that she's a flawed candidate, to have to wonder how much of the dislike of Hillary is BECAUSE she's a woman just sucks.

Was I sobbing? No. But I was upset and there were tears.
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You said it much better than i did.
 
getsomeDEACinya said:
If you truly back a candidate there isn't any reason why you shouldn't say so...if you don't have rebuttals to someone's "lecture" you might need to get a new candidate.
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Trump is extremely malleable. It's a big reason for his winning coalition. He got nearly 90% of the evangelical vote in large part because of the wink and nod about Pence and SCOTUS. People can project their own positions on him. Everything is negotiable.
 
Except that I would add that it's not just girls I want to a woman president for, I want my son and my nephew and all the dudes to not have the same rhetoric in theirs heads that a woman president will never happen.
 
I posted on the Tunnels last night that my sister who is gay and in the military is terrified right now that DADT will get reinstated and she won't be allowed to marry when she's ready (been dating someone in another branch for a few months now, so not ready for that yet). I was told to quit being dramatic, but I'd like these internet heroes to bring that up with someone like my sister, who has dedicated her life to defending the country.
 
There is a palpable sadness about the fact that a supremely qualified woman lost a job to a totally unqualified man for the highest office in the nation.


What a slap to the tits.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Trump is extremely malleable. It's a big reason for his winning coalition. He got nearly 90% of the evangelical vote in large part because of the wink and nod about Pence and SCOTUS. People can project their own positions on him. Everything is negotiable.
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I cannot trust a person that has no discernible core values.


I am terrified because the president elect is such an unknown.
 
awakeandready said:
Except that I would add that it's not just girls I want to a woman president for, I want my son and my nephew and all the dudes to not have the same rhetoric in theirs heads that a woman president will never happen.
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Exactly. I want the example of it being 'normal' for women to be in charge.
 
Things that have me butthurt:

The way Trump ran his campaign was beyond the pale and he still won. Talks of jailing your political opposition, questioning the integrity of the democratic process, encouraging violence, refusing to prepare or pick issues--all pretty clear signs of authoritarianism.

I registered as a Democrat for the first time a few years back and the party really sucks at this. They stifled the populist voice that Trump realized was so important. They tried to go pretend a lifelong centrist with character and legal issues was a progressive that couldn't be touched. They didn't get out the vote. They failed hard.

I'm sad on behalf of my wife because she campaigned for Clinton and really liked the idea of a woman president. Who knows how our lives will change; likely not much but she's right to worry about family planning and women's health for herself and I think it's reasonable to be emotional about things that matter to you.

I think it's downright dangerous, not that all Trump voters are this way, but that we've rebranded extremist nationalism and xenophobia to the hip new alt right moniker. We've legitimized victim blaming sexist rape culture, not that the Clintons ever really had the moral high ground there (any other candidate could have capitalized on the Trump tapes except the Clintons).

I'm not butthurt my team lost because I'm not sure I'm really a Democrat. The whole "appease everyone" centrist Dems these days are feckless effete losers who literally can't beat Donald Trump in a national election. I wish the Working Families folks had some traction, I wish we weren't so anti-socialist brainwashed, and I just hope that the folks pulling the strings in apolitical institutions that really govern know what they're doing. Clearly the media and Wall Street don't.

I'm not panicked or overly emotional today, just butthurt. I think the immature celebrations from Palma and Brasky are exactly the kind of "who cares? We're white dudes!" sentiment that took us here. I'm not gonna panic until there's reason to panic because Trump is the ultimate wild card. But it sucks to like your country less one day than you did the day before.

Thanks Obama.
 
TownieDeac said:
Things that have me butthurt:

The way Trump ran his campaign was beyond the pale and he still won. Talks of jailing your political opposition, questioning the integrity of the democratic process, encouraging violence, refusing to prepare or pick issues--all pretty clear signs of authoritarianism.

I registered as a Democrat for the first time a few years back and the party really sucks at this. They stifled the populist voice that Trump realized was so important. They tried to go pretend a lifelong centrist with character and legal issues was a progressive that couldn't be touched. They didn't get out the vote. They failed hard.

I'm sad on behalf of my wife because she campaigned for Clinton and really liked the idea of a woman president. Who knows how our lives will change; likely not much but she's right to worry about family planning and women's health for herself and I think it's reasonable to be emotional about things that matter to you.

I think it's downright dangerous, not that all Trump voters are this way, but that we've rebranded extremist nationalism and xenophobia to the hip new alt right moniker. We've legitimized victim blaming sexist rape culture, not that the Clintons ever really had the moral high ground there (any other candidate could have capitalized on the Trump tapes except the Clintons).

I'm not butthurt my team lost because I'm not sure I'm really a Democrat. The whole "appease everyone" centrist Dems these days are feckless effete losers who literally can't beat Donald Trump in a national election. I wish the Working Families folks had some traction, I wish we weren't so anti-socialist brainwashed, and I just hope that the folks pulling the strings in apolitical institutions that really govern know what they're doing. Clearly the media and Wall Street don't.

I'm not panicked or overly emotional today, just butthurt. I think the immature celebrations from Palma and Brasky are exactly the kind of "who cares? We're white dudes!" sentiment that took us here. I'm not gonna panic until there's reason to panic because Trump is the ultimate wild card. But it sucks to like your country less one day than you did the day before.

Thanks Obama.
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Good post.
 
If this doesn't lead us to the break of the two-party system we have then I don't really know what will.
 
TownieDeac said:
I'm not butthurt my team lost because I'm not sure I'm really a Democrat. The whole "appease everyone" centrist Dems these days are feckless effete losers who literally can't beat Donald Trump in a national election. I wish the Working Families folks had some traction, I wish we weren't so anti-socialist brainwashed, and I just hope that the folks pulling the strings in apolitical institutions that really govern know what they're doing. Clearly the media and Wall Street don't.

I'm not panicked or overly emotional today, just butthurt. I think the immature celebrations from Palma and Brasky are exactly the kind of "who cares? We're white dudes!" sentiment that took us here. I'm not gonna panic until there's reason to panic because Trump is the ultimate wild card. But it sucks to like your country less one day than you did the day before.

Thanks Obama.
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Until the Millennials come to full power once the rest of the Greatest Gen dies and Boomers age, the GOP's tent will continue to dwarf a Dem party that tries to focus on populist issues.
 
I once took solace in the idea that a silver lining to oppressive government is that it is a fertile breeding ground for brilliant arts and culture. My fear now is that we'd rather be entertained than governed and the cult of personality is getting too strong for us to really appreciate the art over the artist. Trump + Kanye.
 
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