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Donald Sterling, Conservative Republican, set to receive NAACP

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I'm guessing he'll be dining with Cliven Bundy instead.
 
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To be fair, over the years Donald Sterling has employed black men who otherwise wouldn't have jobs in the NBA.
 
This could have been a very interesting discussion, but because lector started it, this thread will suck so I'm out.
 
ONW said:
This could have been a very interesting discussion, but because lector started it, this thread will suck so I'm out.
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Which is why,like the gypsy moth,you religiously revisit the "global climate is ablaze" thread.

Something tells me ol' Donnie is hardly alone among champagne liberals.
 
Lectro said:
Which is why,like the gypsy moth,you religiously revisit the "global climate is ablaze" thread.

Something tells me ol' Donnie is hardly alone among champagne liberals.
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Wait, you think some people are big hypocrites? Whoa.
 
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What is ironic is how silent Lectro has been about the RW hero Cliven Bundy's racism, yet when this happens, he makes a big deal.
 
Lectro's idiocy aside, things like this and Bundy claiming black friends made me wonder the other day, is it possible to be "privately racist" only? Like can Bundy legitimately claim he has never once acted on his subjective racist beliefs and point to objective behavior that shows him as treating black people with respect? Could hypothetically a guy like Sterling be racist in the privacy of his home, but also employ black coaches and GMs and treat his players with respect? I think it's an interesting question because there are a lot of people I know, and probably a few posters on here, who certainly show racist tendencies, but would likely claim they've never acted any different towards black people.
 
Sterling has repeatedly acted in a racist way in his real estate business. Elgin Baylor and Baron Davis have alleged Sterling has acted in a similar fashion towards them.

He no choice but to employ blacks for the Clippers.

Those who say they hold those ideas but have never acted on them have likely had the opportunity or power to do so.
 
P4nthers11, read Discrimination and the American Creed by sociologist Robert Merton. It is about how social context determines the extent to which individual prejudice (beliefs) translate to discrimination (action).

Merton develops a typology based on the intersection of prejudice and discrimination.

Type I - Non-prejudiced, doesn't discriminate
Type II - Non-prejudiced, does discriminate
Type III - Prejudiced, doesn't discriminate
Type IV - Prejudiced, does discriminate

Based on his typology, Sterling falls into the Type III, a Prejudiced Non-Discriminator or more colloquially, the Timid Bigot (the piece was published in 1948).

The fair-weather illiberal is the reluctant conformist to the creed, the man of prejudice who does not believe in the creed but conforms to it in practice through fear of sanctions which might otherwise be visited upon him.

You know him well...the businessman who forgoes his own prejudices when he finds a profitable market among the very people he hates, fears or despises; the timid bigot who will not express his prejudices when he is in the presence of powerful men who vigorously and effectively affirm their belief in the American creed.

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For ethnic prejudice has deep roots in the character structure of the fair-weather bigot, and this will find overt expression unless there are powerful countervailing forces, institutional, legal and interpersonal. He does not accept the moral legitimacy of
the creed; he conforms because he must, and will cease to conform when the pressure is removed.

That's a very brief summary of that section. The way I describe Type III to my students is like this. Imagine you hate brussel sprouts. The first time you go over to your girlfriend's parents' home, they serve brussel sprouts. Do you stand firm in your prejudice against brussel sprouts or do you eat them anyway because you fear how you will be looked at if you don't? If you eat them, that's Type III.

I strongly recommend reading the entire thing. I'm more than happy to talk about it in more detail.
 
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I hate brussel sprouts. Is that racist? Honestly, I'll never read that book, but does he view types of behavior differing based on the environment they are encountered in?
 
very interesting topic btw, hope this thread stays civil.
 
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I hate brussel sprouts. Is that racist? Honestly, I'll never read that book, but does he view types of behavior differing based on the environment they are encountered in?
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It's not a book. Check the link. It's a short article. It takes maybe 10 minutes to read at the most.

Yes, behavior depends on environment. It isn't a group breaking concept.

People don't act on their beliefs all the time as in the brussel sprouts example. But society tends to brand people as "racist" like it's a personality trait that does not change.
 
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ONW said:
I hate brussel sprouts. Is that racist? Honestly, I'll never read that book, but does he view types of behavior differing based on the environment they are encountered in?
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It depends if the brussel sprouts you are talking about are the veggie or Belgian children.
 
Sterling and Bundy are running neck and neck toward that special place in America where nobody supports them. They'll join an exclusive club consisting of Westboro Baptist, Dennis Rodman, and Anthony Weiner. Surprised the family values types haven't skewed him yet for the in-game interview of his wife about a tape made by his girl friend. You really have to be a special kind of asshole when you're more concerned what your buddies will think about your multiracial girlfriend posting pictures with Black guys than what your wife and kids will think about you having a girl friend.

His girl friend reminds me a little bit of Tiger's bimbos who gave interviews to the press. It's not like they randomly met some guy in a bar and then found out later he was a famous married golfer. They didn't parlay that "fame" into their own talk show or being on Dancing with the Stars and are still working at Perkins, bar tending, or doing porn.
 
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P4nthers11, read Discrimination and the American Creed by sociologist Robert Merton. It is about how social context determines the extent to which individual prejudice (beliefs) translate to discrimination (action).

Merton develops a typology based on the intersection of prejudice and discrimination.

Type I - Non-prejudiced, doesn't discriminate
Type II - Non-prejudiced, does discriminate
Type III - Prejudiced, doesn't discriminate
Type IV - Prejudiced, does discriminate

Based on his typology, Sterling falls into the Type III, a Prejudiced Non-Discriminator or more colloquially, the Timid Bigot (the piece was published in 1948).

The fair-weather illiberal is the reluctant conformist to the creed, the man of prejudice who does not believe in the creed but conforms to it in practice through fear of sanctions which might otherwise be visited upon him.

You know him well...the businessman who forgoes his own prejudices when he finds a profitable market among the very people he hates, fears or despises; the timid bigot who will not express his prejudices when he is in the presence of powerful men who vigorously and effectively affirm their belief in the American creed.

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For ethnic prejudice has deep roots in the character structure of the fair-weather bigot, and this will find overt expression unless there are powerful countervailing forces, institutional, legal and interpersonal. He does not accept the moral legitimacy of
the creed; he conforms because he must, and will cease to conform when the pressure is removed.

That's a very brief summary of that section. The way I describe Type III to my students is like this. Imagine you hate brussel sprouts. The first time you go over to your girlfriend's parents' home, they serve brussel sprouts. Do you stand firm in your prejudice against brussel sprouts or do you eat them anyway because you fear how you will be looked at if you don't? If you eat them, that's Type III.

I strongly recommend reading the entire thing. I'm more than happy to talk about it in more detail.
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Not sure Sterling fits into III. I am on my phone and don't want to research but hasn't he lost discrimination lawsuits in the past?
 
Within the NBA context, he doesn't have an all-white team because that would be frowned upon by his peers. In other social contexts, he can be a Type IV who gets sanctioned by the laws of the land.
 
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Sterling and Bundy are running neck and neck toward that special place in America where nobody supports them. They'll join an exclusive club consisting of Westboro Baptist, Dennis Rodman, and Anthony Weiner. Surprised the family values types haven't skewed him yet for the in-game interview of his wife about a tape made by his girl friend. You really have to be a special kind of asshole when you're more concerned what your buddies will think about your multiracial girlfriend posting pictures with Black guys than what your wife and kids will think about you having a girl friend.

His girl friend reminds me a little bit of Tiger's bimbos who gave interviews to the press. It's not like they randomly met some guy in a bar and then found out later he was a famous married golfer. They didn't parlay that "fame" into their own talk show or being on Dancing with the Stars and are still working at Perkins, bar tending, or doing porn.
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It appears that Sterling was paying this one. His wife is suing her to get the money Sterling paid her back. Only in Sterlingland.
 
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