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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

birdman said:
Before we can draw these kinds of conclusions, we need to know what color the colonists’ skin was.
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The white (male, landowning) colonists became free men by their own courage and bootstrappiness, the black ones got counted as 3/5s of a human with no rights. Per Bill Barr I'm sure it was their own fault tho.
 
I hadn’t even heard about it until Junebug mentioned it.

Seems like he’s saying it’s OK to shoot black men in the back.
 
Junebug said:
I can only assume from the lack of chatter on this thread that everyone agrees the police acted properly when they shot De’von Bailey. I’m glad to see you all finally coming around.
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says the supposed libertarian
 
Junebug said:
Libertarianism, or at least certain brands of it, is not inconsistent with law and order. The fact that someone is a proponent of laissez faire economics, for example, has no bearing on the person’s view of the police power of the state.
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No police state will ever truly allow for laissez faire economics. The entire point of the police state is to suppress the natural rights of one group in order to enrich another group.. I’m shocked at your naïveté.
 
This quote from "Carceral Capitalism" by Jackie Wang fits Junebug's conservative ideology pretty well:

As we have seen with the explosion of prisons in the latter half of the twentieth century (which occurred alongside market liberalization), the supposed scaling back of government does not necessarily lead to the shrinking of police, prisons, and military spending. Prisons and law enforcement may actually grow when the ideology of small government is hegemonic because the maintenance of law and order is considered the proper (morally authorized) domain of government. For Bernard E. Harcourt, neoliberal penality is rooted in "the assumption of government legitimacy and competence in the penal arena and, on the other hand, the presumption that the government should not play a role elsewhere." However, the collapse of the tax state owing to neoliberalization has created a situation where the livelihoods of local government bodies are increasingly tied to predatory fiscal structures that foster looting.
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Junebug said:
Libertarianism, or at least certain brands of it, is not inconsistent with law and order. The fact that someone is a proponent of laissez faire economics, for example, has no bearing on the person’s view of the police power of the state.
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How do the two go together? The cop who shoots a suspect thus depriving them of due process of law is hardly respecting their individual liberty. When that person is an armed agent of the state, literally tasked with committing violence against its citizens on its behalf, then that should not get you all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
Junebug said:
Who’s talking about a police state? Not me.
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ummm....

Junebug said:
The cop who properly shoots a suspect does not deprive him of due process of law. Because of the seriousness of the suspect’s offense, the only process to which he is due is the cop’s ex ante decision making process and, perhaps, an ex post internal review.
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Junebug said:
Valuing individual liberty does not mean that cops shouldn’t be authorized to take a suspect’s life, or at least not necessarily so.
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Junebug said:
It is OK to shoot someone — black, white, or otherwise — in the back if he matches the description of an alleged armed robber in the area, takes off when a policeman tells him he is going to search him for a gun, and then reaches for his waistband while running away despite police orders to put his hands up.

Good thing the officer was wearing a body cam. Otherwise, he might have lost his job because of the political fallout.
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Terrified white people say this kind of shit
 
Junebug said:
Why is it that the same people who are in favor of more gun control don’t give a shit when guns are used illegally and in a way that threatens the community?
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This is a Top 10 dumbest post of the year. Probably Top 5 and may make the medal stand.
 
Junebug said:
Why is it that the same people who are in favor of more gun control don’t give a shit when guns are used illegally and in a way that threatens the community?
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Why is it people who hate gun control think it’s OK for the state to kill someone for having a gun?
 
Great point.

Also, did he even have a gun? Every story I’ve read says they haven’t confirmed he even had one
 
Junebug said:
I have to check my notes from law school but I’m pretty sure the police can’t kill someone for having a gun.
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LOL. Then why have so many cops gotten away with it?
 
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