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Also I don’t think anyone here is saying rioting is ok or acceptable. There is just the extrapolation of the root cause of the riots. If authoritarianism and racism are the cause of the riots the let’s fix that and not the victimized communities expressing frustrations.
 
That's wrong. There are levels of socialism that have open and free elections and democratic governments.

There is no such thing as levels of socialism. Either you have a socialized state, or you have a capitalist state with socialized programs.
 
lol yeah I'm sure Mitch McConnell will be much more amenable to Joe Biden's expansion of government than he would have been to Bernie's expansion of government. gtfoh y'all Democrats tell yourselves the damndest lies. Biden's administration couldn't pass gas in the current Senate, much less a public option.

Pretty sure Chris is assuming Dems take the Senate.

Seeing reports from twitter that the Minneapolis 3rd precinct is on fire. Reporting it on CNN.
 
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Did you read it? The article explains it detail what you are supposed to glean from it.

Yeah, It's still open on my browser and I just read it again. The guy is younger than I am and it's largely an opinion piece and doesn't tell me anything I don't already know. So I don't need a lecture on what happened in Wilmington 120 years ago to know what's happening in my own backyard and I sure as hell don't need you or Townie to inform me of it. My objections, my only objections, were to looting and arson as a form of expression.
 
You're right, but it goes far beyond how the police treat "innocent" people, because once the police suspect a person of something they aren't "innocent" anymore. If a police officer has his knee on someones neck, that person is most likely now "guilty" of something - resisting, whatever the bullshit is. American law enforcement have so much fucking impunity and they *use* it. We give it to them. We vote for the assholes that give it to them! Then we cry when they kill people, and we rage when the legal system wont/can't hold them accountable. This is where decades of police "reform" has taken us - Little kids dressing up like police officers on Ellen and cops going viral for playing pickup basketball. I think Neil Young described this very succinctly as "a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand".

For as many riots and fires as they'll be, it's still authoritarian, conservative white people making and upholding the legal standards of conduct for police officers. Who is holding these people to account for the systemic racist problems they are encouraging? I'm sure there's a handful of board lawyers frothing at the mouth to let us know exactly why Officer Chauvin hasn't been charged with murder and eventually his legal defense team will use every angle to convince a jury believe that he was within his legal rights to choke George Floyd to death. Chauven will get off because our justice system is fucked. The response will be more bullshit police community outreach and Chauven will get quietly rehired in some other bumfuck Police Department in Oklahoma, and on and on it goes.
 
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See, this is an answer, mdmh.

I assume you were responding to MHB here?

I don't think(?) i've ever vouched for the total abolition of law enforcement, because I believe that police officers serve many necessary functions. I'm not a utopian - socialism requires structure and structure requires authority.
 
So Donald Trump just said the military was available to go into a US city and start shooting looters.
 
So Donald Trump just said the military was available to go into a US city and start shooting looters.

I'd say "Mask off" but Trump's nomination was the unmasking of the whole Republican Party. There has to be a reckoning between the oppressed poor black people in this country, and the historically powerful and racist white authority. I don't want *anyone* to die, but it's particularly frustrating and sad that the response to George Floyd's murder is just leading to more dead African Americans. Fuck.
 
I hope people realize that Trump speaks for all Republicans. He retweeted “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” He tweeted “once the looting starts the shooting starts.” They fantasize about civil war.

The Republican Party is the distillation of white rage and white supremacy in the entire history of this country. Republicans want to see mass slaughter in the streets. That’s why they have rejected peaceful protest and responded with violence at every turn. They picked a knee on the neck over a knee in protest.

The only possible way out starts at the ballot box.
 
 
Democrats have almost never rejected police authority at the ballot box. Not trolling here, but there is no partisanship determining that police are allowed to descriminately spray tear gas at protestors from a moving police car. That's not a partisan issue. Donald Trump's tweets didn't give them that power. I mean fuck, isn't it Amy Klobuchar that failed repeatedly to investigate Officer Chauven's misconduct? Isn't Kamala Harris infamous for railroading multiple black men with convictions using bad evidence and coerced jail house testimonies? You're advocating for her Veep nomination in another thread!
 
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I just don't know how you can look at the historically racist policing of major cities and blame Republicans for it. Democrats put these racists in power. Trump's tweets are awful, but don't let that motherfucker dumb this conversation down to partisanship. Authoritarianism and racism are bi-partisan, and it's city and state Democrat voters responsibility to provide justice and equality through progressive representatives and measures.
 
Great thread about this history of American police power and lack of accountability
 
16 min ago
Breaking: CNN team arrested by Minnesota police on live television

CNN journalist Omar Jimenez has been taken into police custody during a live broadcast at the site of the protests in Minneapolis, after clearly identifying himself to officers.

Jimenez's crew, including a producer and a camera operator, were also placed in handcuffs.

The CNN camera was also taken into custody and continued to record as the crew was handcuffed, with police seemingly unaware that the camera was still on.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ge...s-05-28-20/h_4ed08403663fa4ed3518221d0f2a1552
 
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