F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

[MHBDemon]

A common refrain here too is this is how police are acting with media coverage. Imagine what they do when the cameras aren’t rolling.

I disagree strongly with MHB re: cops joining protests. They did in Camden as well, and I think it’s great.

🤔

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Just remember this the next time Camden police kill someone and cover it up.

yeah, I have a difficult time believing that the Police Department wants to give up power and authority. What I do believe is that copw would like for additional public welfare services to help relieve them of adjacent responsibilities like mental health emergencies

 

[Strickland33]

Fair amount of hollywood yuppies out there on the streets.

We're like the most liberal state in the country, what the hell are we rioting for?

People have been cramped in their house for too long and are bored at this point. And with the police all concentrated in certain areas, really allows other areas to get hit freely. Once one guy breaks a window, 100 others are free to follow in. Had to get some prescriptions today and CVS is all boarded up. Rather surreal having helicopters everywhere.

There are always helicopters everywhere in LA

 

[Strickland33]

Perfect example of the passive aggressive bullshit you get out of certain Progressive posters on this board. Townie grow the fuck up.

That offended you??

 

[Wakefan77]

Bullshit! Self-defense is the store owner defending his own property for these thugs & looters!

Agreed. If I own a business, I'm doing what I can to defend it. And when I say this I mean small business owners, not the big chains like Target etc. ..

 

[Tobacco Road]

A common refrain here too is this is how police are acting with media coverage. Imagine what they do when the cameras aren’t rolling.

It seems they can only be trying to send a message with those interactions.

 

[MHBDemon]

In KC we are like 3 months from the last unarmed black man being murdered by police and everyone wants to be all warm and fuzzy about a white cop and a black cop holding up an “End Police Brutality” sign.

I don’t know why we are so quick to participate in rehabilitating their image, especially now.

 

[TownieDeac]

yeah, I have a difficult time believing that the Police Department wants to give up power and authority. What I do believe is that copw would like for additional public welfare services to help relieve them of adjacent responsibilities like mental health emergencies

They recently fired their entire police force and started from scratch. I agree with the premise here that reform isn’t as powerful as abolition but there are also useful reforms.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

In KC we are like 3 months from the last unarmed black man being murdered by police and everyone wants to be all warm and fuzzy about a white cop and a black cop holding up an “End Police Brutality” sign.

I don’t know why we are so quick to participate in rehabilitating their image, especially now.

Police represent order and protests are chaos - chaos is scary. I don't say that demeaningly, it's a logical mindset. Humans are oriented toward order because it's more safe. It's just that some communities are more victims of authority than they are recipients of order

 

[TownieDeac]

 

[Kory]

"What is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins."

 

[TownieDeac]

Police represent order and protests are chaos - chaos is scary. I don't say that demeaningly, it's a logical mindset. Humans are oriented toward order because it's more safe. It's just that some communities are more victims of authority than they are recipients of order

I think about the Jon Stewart bit about police during riots, about how he was carrying signs and shouting “fuck the police” and watched the protests turn from marching and chanting into flipping cars and setting buildings on fire and instantly changing his mind to “where the fuck are the police?”

 

[RJKarl]

You justifiably complain about police when the act horrifically and you complain when the Police Chief helps the situation by participating with protesters.

Your concept of abolishing police is insane. It can't be done. Man isn't perfect. There are predators in any society.

 

[TownieDeac]

Further, I agree with this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/police-violence-protests-george-floyd.html

Police don’t reform, not willingly and not often

But given the choice between watching them brutalize during anti-brutality protests and watching them march alongside protestors it’s not a question to me

 

[DeaconSig]

"What is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins."

Trump just earned Whatamount’s vote. Let’s pray we have seen our last concrete milkshake!

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

They recently fired their entire police force and started from scratch. I agree with the premise here that reform isn’t as powerful as abolition but there are also useful reforms.

There are absolutely useful reforms. I would gather that a community protest where police are welcome is more oriented towards reform than abolition, which MHB and I are skeptical of. Admittedly I don't think any African Americans need a white guy to tell them not to trust the police.

 

[PhDeac]

Agreed. If I own a business, I'm doing what I can to defend it. And when I say this I mean small business owners, not the big chains like Target etc. ..

If you stand outside your business with a sword, that’s offense not defense. That’s looking for a fight. The swordsman is the aggressor, not people defending themselves with rocks.

TheReff looted PPP money that should be going to legitimate small businesses not large corporations.

 

[DeaconSig]

If you stand outside your business with a sword, that’s offense not defense. That’s looking for a fight. The swordsman is the aggressor, not people defending themselves with rocks.

TheReff looted PPP money that should be going to legitimate small businesses not large corporations.

TheReff is an idiot welfare queen, but he owns a small business.

 

[PhDeac]

I think about the Jon Stewart bit about police during riots, about how he was carrying signs and shouting “fuck the police” and watched the protests turn from marching and chanting into flipping cars and setting buildings on fire and instantly changing his mind to “where the fuck are the police?”

That’s a funny bit. But who hasn’t been at a bar or sporting event or even a house party and all of a sudden people are fighting. Similar principles here. Doesn’t mean there was a problem with the event. It means there are some shitty people who are easily provoked. Doesn’t mean adding more cops makes the situation better. Cops are also shitty people who are easily provoked.

 

[TownieDeac]

Agree Ph, just commenting on MDMH’s human nature concept re: order.