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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/18/21293784/alex-vitale-end-of-policing-review

The End of Policing left me convinced we still need policing
One of the most prominent books on police abolition doesn’t have a good answer on violent crime.

The problem with America’s police officers is that they’re too unaccountable and lawless, operating with too much job security and a sense of impunity, not that there are too many of them.

We can take away the armored personnel carriers and other military gear. We can (and should) stop the “stop and frisks” with no probable cause and “no knock” warrants that elevate the virtues of drug seizures out of proportion to the risks. We can train officers in deescalation tactics and require them to use them. But if we proceed with the assumption that police do not matter and reform is too hard, what could likely result is rising crime and unraveling city communities.

Affluent residents will retreat behind armed guards. Nobody on the left is currently advocating for a strategy of “privatize the police,” but once you discover that the link between policing and crime is real, it’s clear that’s what lies down this path — replacing an insufficiently democratic, insufficiently accountable police force for a much less democratic and much less accountable patchwork of private guards who’ll safeguard those with money and ignore the marginalized people that defunding was supposed to help.
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Arsene Wenger said:
Judges expect pleas. They don’t want to try cases. The art of the trial is really endangered. It’s not a good development, and one Of the first things that must be reversed to make the criminal justice system fairer.
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Judges don’t want to do a big (biggest?) part of their job?
 
People have been dunking on Matt Yglesias for weeks on his bad faith abolition takes.
 
9 people shot at a Juneteenth block party this morning in Charlotte. 2 dead so far and 3 more on life support. Plus more people hit by cars as they ran in the street fleeing the gunfire. No CMPD officer discharged his/her weapon. "Witnesses told WCNC that gunfire seemed to come from all directions and may have involved multiple people firing dozens of shots." 400 people in attendance, and not 1 has come forward as a witness. But yes, the police are the problem and reducing the police will solve the crime problem, that makes sense.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article243705947.html
 
It is jumping to a conclusion to conclude that a certain level of violent crime is going to take place that is wholly unrelated to police brutality? To me that seems like common sense and an understanding of humanity outside of a theoretical bubble. So in this scenario, it is basically a gunfight at a block party. Cops show up with sirens blaring and the threat of law enforcement, the shooters flee the scene, at least minimizing their carnage.

Let's play out the defunding scenario. Sammy the Social Worker shows up in his Prius while guns are blazing to speak his magic words of inclusion to the shooters. The shooters have no fear of being caught, so do they leave the scene or keep shooting? How many more people get killed in that scenario?
 
2&2 can't be serious. Well, he probably is.

Most "defunding" plans don't eliminate the police. They re-allocate funds. In violent situations, cops would show up.

He fits Bum Phillips' quote about Earl Campbell, " I don't know if he's in a class by himself, but I do know that when that class gets together, it sure don't take long to call the roll. "
 
Columbus fighting with Portland, Seattle, Philly, Buffalo. and Louisville-and others-for "worst cops in the country".

 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
It is jumping to a conclusion to conclude that a certain level of violent crime is going to take place that is wholly unrelated to police brutality? To me that seems like common sense and an understanding of humanity outside of a theoretical bubble. So in this scenario, it is basically a gunfight at a block party. Cops show up with sirens blaring and the threat of law enforcement, the shooters flee the scene, at least minimizing their carnage.

Let's play out the defunding scenario. Sammy the Social Worker shows up in his Prius while guns are blazing to speak his magic words of inclusion to the shooters. The shooters have no fear of being caught, so do they leave the scene or keep shooting? How many more people get killed in that scenario?
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MHBDemon said:
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And yet their presence reduces violent crime substantially. Since it serves as a deterrence, you'll have to show that removing police officers won't increase the violent crime rate significantly. Probably have to take all the guns from the citizens before you defund the police.
 
Aren't their lots of studies that show more police doesn't reduce violent crime? Also aren't police really bad at solving violent crimes? So taken together.....
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Aren't their lots of studies that show more police doesn't reduce violent crime? Also aren't police really bad at solving violent crimes? So taken together.....
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The article I linked last night referenced a few studies showing more police does reduce violent crime. But like everything else, I'm sure there are other studies done.
 
Right wing media outlet disclaimer:

How conspiracy theories about the NYPD Shake Shack ‘poisoning’ blew up

Police sources explained it was clear that the workers couldn’t have known cops had placed the orders “since it wasn’t done in person” — and they couldn’t have dosed the drinks after the officers arrived, because they were packaged and waiting for pickup when the trio walked in.

Soon after sipping the shakes, however, the cops realized they didn’t taste or smell right, so they threw the drinks in the trash and alerted a manager, who apologized and issued them vouchers for free food or drink, which they accepted, according to sources.

But when the cops told their sergeant about the incident, the supervisor called in the Emergency Service Unit to set up a crime scene at the fast-food joint for an evidence search around 9:20 p.m. — nearly two hours after they first got the sour shakes.

The three were rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms, sources said.

Meanwhile, a lieutenant from the Bronx blasted out an email to the unions that six cops “started throwing up after drinking beverages they got from shake shack on 200 Broadway.”

It was unclear why the sergeant and lieutenant escalated the situation.
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According to the NY Post, the police officers who got milkshakes from Shake Shack never got sick. They just noticed their milkshakes tasted funny, threw them out, and got vouchers for free food. The rest of the debacle was all a stunt.
 
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